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lampie
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Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:49 PM UTC
Thanks Jean-Luc
Ive still got a couple of small things to address on the Jug and the prop blades are one of them. Actually,,Id forgotten to put the decals on them too ,,LOL
I am definately proud of my first 1:48 build. I really enjoyed it, but as with anything else theres lots of things I see when I look at this P-47 that I will try and do better next time.
Ive really got a taste for 1:48 after this!
Next quarter scale build?,,,,probably a Bubbletop D or M. Im thinking of doing the 1:32 Hasegawa Bubbletop for my Aces High Campaign.
Before that though there are a couple of "fun" 1:72 builds.
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 09:16 PM UTC

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Thanks Jean-Luc
I am definately proud of my first 1:48 build. I really enjoyed it, but as with anything else theres lots of things I see when I look at this P-47 that I will try and do better next time.



..excellent build Nige....and inspirational too!

...
lampie
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Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 11:20 PM UTC
Thanks Neil
Did you see my post re: Penrod and Sams rudder colour?
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 12:24 AM UTC
yes I did ..I knew there was something else I had to say thank you for !

great pic ! thanks for turning it up ....but while the rudder does indeed appear darker than the alu, perhaps this is because it is at an angle deflected away from the camera ...??

..sure makes it a more colourful machine..

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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 12:42 AM UTC

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yes I did ..I knew there was something else I had to say thank you for !

great pic ! thanks for turning it up ....but while the rudder does indeed appear darker than the alu, perhaps this is because it is at an angle deflected away from the camera ...??

..sure makes it a more colourful machine..




The rudder in the photo looks pretty straight to even my old eyes,,, ,,,
Your right though,,NMF,,red cowling,,yellow rudder,,very interesting!
Ive also turned up some evidence that the wheel covers were painted in the individual squadron colours.
Almost the basis for a "dazzle P-47",,LOL.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 02:44 AM UTC
Hands up whos spent hours researching old colour photos and trying to decide on the definative shade of olive drab etc for their P-47 build?,

What could be better than having original paint samples?

Here we have an example of the yellow zinc cromate.


Olive drab

The piece still needs some cleaning up.

My particular favourite.
A section with Neutral Grey as the background colour. Part of blue "star and bar" marking on the right hand side. Notice how the blue has been painted over the red border.( which was adopted in mid 1943). Paint chipping on the blue bordered star and bar would infact reveal red paint underneath, then the base colour before the natural metal, as can be seen in this picture.


These examples are from a P47 which crashed in early 1944.

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 12:15 PM UTC
A fascinating piece of history. The O D looks surprisingly dark. Do you know which particular '47 these came from?

Oh and I do plan on actually building one Razorback this year. Eventually.

-Matt
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 03:09 PM UTC

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A fascinating piece of history. The O D looks surprisingly dark. Do you know which particular '47 these came from?

Oh and I do plan on actually building one Razorback this year. Eventually.

-Matt



Hi Matt.
I do know the identity of the P-47 these came from but Im not going to reveal it on a public forum because the crash site is on private land and the owner has been generous enough to allow me to visit it. Id hate them to be pestered by people unecessarily.
Ive been along a couple of times and theres lots of small pieces to be found just under the surface.
The underwing piece with grey paint and remains of the star and bar was only dug up 4 days ago after 64 years in the ground. The damp soil and clay has preserved the paint remarkably.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:51 AM UTC
I thought I'd share these links. It is a modeling show from Japan. No it isn't translated but it is still fun to watch. In these two videos (one short episode) the modeler builds Tamiya's 1/48 bubble top P-47.

P-47 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkfySvGfy50&feature=related

P-47 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgVtVYuIIXE&feature=related

I only discovered these videos today so I am not sure how many there are. Seems to be at least 15 different episodes out there.

Happy V-day

-Matt
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 02:42 PM UTC
Great videos Matt.
Thanks for posting them. It all got a bit " Superhero" at one point put that added to it slightly
Some interesting hints and tips in there too if you look closely.
Nige
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 07:02 PM UTC
Following on from the YouTube videos on how to assemble the Tamiya Thunderbolt, heres a video from the "Army Air Forces School Of Applied Tactics", made in conjunction with Republic it shows how to assemble a P47 in field conditions.
Its from YouTube and is divided into 4 parts. Each is about 10 minutes long and well worth a view.
PART 1

PART 2

PART 3

PART 4

The Thunderbolt in the film is a very early P-47C. 41-6067 was only the 2nd serial number alloctated to P-47C's manufactured by Republic at Farmingdale.
41-6067 was allocated to the 89th Ps 80th PG at Selfridge Field Michigan.
The aircraft was lost in a training incident on May 2nd 1943 near Brookhaven NY, and the pilot Hampton E Boggs parachuted to safety.

Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 05:30 AM UTC
Definately worth saving your favourites folder and keeping a regular eye on is Zenos Warbird Videos.
One page of the site is a "drive in" where selected videos are offered for viewing each month.
This month one of the videos featured is
RAMROD TO EMDEN
Mostly shot at Halesworth in 1943 it predominantly features the P47's of the 56FG and theres rare footage of pilots briefings and prepartion for the mission.
Running time is 32 minutes.
Highly recommended viewing.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 10:09 AM UTC
Recently posted on Little Friends is a link to a photobucket album purporting to be that of Lt John Jones 61FS 56FG.
There are 118 photos, a couple of which Ive seen in print before but many of them are new to me.
Some excellent close ups and diorama ideas can be found
Mostly bubbletops at Boxted but there are photos from Halesworth and Horsham as well.
HERE
Nige
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 08:09 PM UTC
Hi All,

Here is my 3rd plane model that I have built, the Talima 1/48 P-47 . I am still not happy with my efforts but hey, i can only get better with practice. It is built OOB and painted with Lifecolor and Tamiya paints.

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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 11:46 PM UTC
I'm currently building a SEAC Thunderbolt MkII out of the Tamiya 1/48 kit which comes with 3 propellers.

Which prop is the one for me.

Thanks
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 01:11 AM UTC

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I'm currently building a SEAC Thunderbolt MkII out of the Tamiya 1/48 kit which comes with 3 propellers.

Which prop is the one for me.

Thanks



Hi Gary.
You'll need the broad bladed Curtiss prop. Parts B36 and B37. Looking forward to seeing your MKII come together

Hi Mark.
Nice to see Bud Mahurins "Spirit Of Atlantic City N.J" making it into the SIG. Looking good! Any chance of some larger photos?
Nige
gcn123
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 10:01 PM UTC
Thanks for that Nigel. I knew there was another question I had to ask.

As to the underwing stores again theres plenty of choice in the kit but am I limited in what I can use.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 11:35 PM UTC

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Thanks for that Nigel. I knew there was another question I had to ask.

As to the underwing stores again theres plenty of choice in the kit but am I limited in what I can use.



Hi Gary.
Your a bit limited in that the SEAC usually carried only one type of drop tank and didnt use the rocket tubes you get with the Tamiya kit. 99% of the photos I have show 3 configurations of ordnance/underwing stores.
First,,underwing pylons and no stores.

The standard SEAC drop tanks.

And finally, 500lb GP Bombs.

Hope this helps.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 09:41 PM UTC
Very helpful thanks.

As I seem to be mining a rich seam...

Does this mean that there was no central drop tank at all
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 10:44 PM UTC

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Very helpful thanks.

As I seem to be mining a rich seam...

Does this mean that there was no central drop tank at all




Hi again Gary
The under fusalage shackles were fitted as standard, but in the vast majority of SEAC Thunderbolt photos Ive got, theres nothing fitted to them.
One possible reason is that due to the size and shape of the drop tanks normally used, there may not have been the ground clearance to enable them to be used on the fusalage shackles. Thats just a guess though, and I have no evidence that its the case.
Nige
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 06:45 PM UTC
It's possible that the aircraft would have simply been too heavy with three drop tanks full of gas. That's my guess.

I'm happy to announce that I will be starting my Thunderbolt (finally) this week. A natural metal Razorback. I've got spoked wheels from Ultracast, decals from Eagle Strike, canopy masks, a Zoom set and placards from Eduard. I will hopefully have the first pictures up Monday or Tuesday.

-Matt
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:42 PM UTC

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It's possible that the aircraft would have simply been too heavy with three drop tanks full of gas. That's my guess.

I'm happy to announce that I will be starting my Thunderbolt (finally) this week. A natural metal Razorback. I've got spoked wheels from Ultracast, decals from Eagle Strike, canopy masks, a Zoom set and placards from Eduard. I will hopefully have the first pictures up Monday or Tuesday.

-Matt



Hi Matt.
Its always possible, but I dont think weight would be an issue. Also I doubt there was the need for that much fuel in the SEAC theatre of operations. No long range bomber escorts for the RAF Thunderbolts.
Glad to see youve got everything together for your Razorback build, and Im looking forward to seeing it.
Can I suggest though,,that you hold back from starting it until April 1st, and enlist in my Aces High Campaign. All it needs is 5 kill markings or more to qualify
Shameless plug I know,,
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 10:49 AM UTC
I checked the markings for FATCAT (serial 225577, 509th FS, 405th FG) and it doesn't have any kill markings.

But I will keep your campaign in mind.

-Matt
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 11:18 AM UTC
Hi Matt.
Nice choice for a P47!,,shame about it not being eligible for Aces High, but a fine looking Razorback.


Nige
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 - 08:52 AM UTC
Yup that's her. Thanks for the pics. As soon as I saw the nose art on this one I just had to build it.

-Matt