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Aeroscale P-47 Thunderbolt SIG
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 08:15 AM UTC
Post # 200 for the SIG
I was at RAF Cosford today with the Bulldogs stand. A great show and we all had a good time talking to modellers and public alike.
I had a very interesting chat with a gentleman about P47's and Samuel Stamps aircraft in particular. Im sorry, I didnt catch the gentlemans name, but I hope you find your way to the SIG.
Heres the information Ive been able to find out and the photos I promised to scan for you.
Firstly,,the man himself. Samuel O Stamps 63FS 56FG.

The Little Friends website lists 3 P47s as being allocated to Stamps.
All coded UN-S
42-22762 Tinkle. Later allocated to 366FG 9thAF
42-75683 Later allocated to 352FS 353 FG
43-25307 Tinkle ( pin up girl artwork as depicted on the model I had on the stand today)
Photos....
42-22762


Note the cowling colour.

I havent found any photos of 42-75683

43-25307



Remember we spoke about the "baby" artwork? This used to be listed on the Littlefriends website as being artwork for 43-25307 before the Vargas pinup was added. The P47 being called "Sneaky McGee". This photo from one of my reference books is captioned as "Sam Stamps 43-25307 Tinkle"

This aircraft is now listed on Littlefriends as being 42-76250 coded LM-S bar, allocated to Lt Wendell McClure of the 62nd FS.
Maybe that new research has come to light recently.
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 08:17 AM UTC
I have a Tamiya P-47 Bubbletop in my stash, why not build it now ?
With this tread itīs going to be easy with reference material.

Cheers !
//Peter
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 11:23 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I have a Tamiya P-47 Bubbletop in my stash, why not build it now ?
With this tread itīs going to be easy with reference material.

Cheers !
//Peter



Why not indeed Peter
Which decal scheme do you have in mind?,,the kit markings or some AM decals?
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 11:36 AM UTC
Doesnt time fly?
Almost before you know it the SIG is over 6 months old and at the time I write this has over 200 posts and is nudging 5500 views!
Time to take stock and ask for some feedback from you all.

How would you like to see the SIG progress in the future?
What would you like to see more of in the thread?
Is there anything you would like to see less of?
Would you like this become an IPMS SIG or stay solely an Aeroscale one?

Any thoughts, either publically or via PM would be appreciated.

Thanks everyone for your support over the last six months. Keep those questions coming, and dont forget, anybody can answer them,

CAVE TONITRUM!

Nige
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 07:32 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

I have a Tamiya P-47 Bubbletop in my stash, why not build it now ?
With this tread itīs going to be easy with reference material.

Cheers !
//Peter



Why not indeed Peter
Which decal scheme do you have in mind?,,the kit markings or some AM decals?
Nige



To make things easy i rather go with the kit markings(I am lazy..)


Cheers !
//Peter
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Peter.
Theres nothing wrong with the kit markings
I built a 1:72 version of Kokomo a couple of years ago.

The 78th FG Checkerboard cowling option is really nice too.
If you decide to go with the Kokomo option let me know, it'll give me an excuse to post some photos of the real aircraft in the SIG.
Nige
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:33 AM UTC
Hi !

I did plan to go with the Kokomo option, love to see some pictures on the real aircraft with thoose markings

I did try to start on the cockpit today, disaster struck, my airbrush wouldnīt work.
The needle and the nozzle broke...DOH !
I probably get the new parts this week.

Another thing, Tamiya says that the cockpit color is XF-5, but that color just donīt seems to match
with the photos i looked at.
I rather go with Tamiya acrylics, maybe i can mix something up...who knows:)
Any ideas ?

Cheers !
//Peter
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:53 AM UTC
Hi Peter.
Im home in a couple of days so I'll scan and post a couple of pics of Kokomo for you.
For cockpit colours,personally I use Humbrol 117, however a 2:1 mix of Tamiya XF5 and XF3 with perhaps a drop or two of black is pretty close. Washes etc will darken this as well.
You'll need to remove one of the 50 cals each side if memory serves me correctly. I think this is noted in the kit instructions.
Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 09:33 AM UTC
Thanks alot for the advices !
Locking forwad to se the pics !

Cheers !
//Peter

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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 10:12 AM UTC

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Thanks alot for the advices !
Locking forwad to se the pics !

Cheers !
//Peter




Hi Peter.
Heres one I had stored on the laptop already, and one of my favourites of Kokomo.
Enough to get the ball rolling anyway

Note how the outer machine guns on each wing have been removed and the ports covered.
I'll be home tomorrow and if Im not too tired I'll post some more.
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 11:35 PM UTC
A couple more Kokomo photos and a colour profile for you Peter




Hope these help.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 12:33 AM UTC
Hello Nigel

For me it works pretty well as it is.

Someone asks a question, you answer usually with some nice piccies and the info bank gets added to.

The problem is that sometimes it can be a chore wading through lots of pages to find what you want and thats not going to improve. What you need is your own separate website like this Spitfire one.

http://www.spitfiresite.com/
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 08:38 PM UTC
As Gary stated, the thread is very limited in how it is organized. Not that there is much that can be done about it. I think it is still a useful and fun thread to read. Let's keep a good thing going. If anybody out there is building a P-47 let's hear about it. I can't show any pics of mine as I am temporarily without a camera at the moment.

-Matt
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 07:48 AM UTC
Nige have you got any pictures of the Thunderbolt engine? Or have they already been posted? I have started my 1/32 model for the Aces high campaign and I need some references. While we're on the subject do you have anything showing the brake lines on the undercarriage, Oh, nearly forgot set belts too, as I'm gonna have to scratch build them

I could also do with some close ups of how the mid fuselage supercharger doors operate so that I can complete the mask set

Thanks mate, see you at Hinckley

Mal
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 08:12 AM UTC
Hi Mal.
Ive got dozens of photos of what you need to see. Its probably easier, with Hinckley only being a day away, for me to bring down a couple of reference books and you choose which photos you need and then I'll post the pics on here
Nige
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 08:20 AM UTC
Any of these of any help, Mal ?
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php?cat=21822
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:02 PM UTC
Here you go Mal.
A couple of engine closeups and some wheel well/undercarriage photos.






Nige
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:05 PM UTC
Dear Santa,
Ive been a very good P-47 enthusiast this year,,I know its early to be asking but I wanted to give you enough notice to figure out how to get this down the chimney.


I could always collect if theres no room on the sleigh!

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 09:59 AM UTC
Thanks Chuck/Nige, excellent ta

Mal
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:37 AM UTC
More information for Mal and anyone else building the Hasegawa 1:32 Bubbletop, or indeed anyone considering building the mount of Glenn Eagleston.
FIrstly, a photo of the man himself.

Eagleston flew with the 354th FG and scored 18.5 kills, making him the 9th Air Forces top scorer.
A couple of photos of the Eagleston P47 Mal.




When the Confederate Air Force aquired 6 P47's from the Peruvian Air Force in the late 1960's, one of them was painted in Eaglestons colours. It didnt have the eagle painted on the port fusalage side though, which makes it easy to distinguish from the real thing.
I thought Id got more photos of FT-L and if I come across them I'll post them on here.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 07:36 AM UTC
Excellant Nige, cheers

I have started painting the engine, cockpit and interior parts have been painted too.
Mal
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 05:24 PM UTC
Got a question for you Nige. The Tamiya 1/48 scale T-bolt gives you a few options when it comes to magnetos. Any idea which would be best for a P-47 D-22-RE? Not that anyone will be able to see it once completed.

-Matt
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 12:30 AM UTC
lampie
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 12:37 AM UTC
Anybody wanting to take R2800 research to the highest level can probably do no better than purchase this book.
R2800 Pratt And Whitneys Dependable Masterpiece
Its described as the definitive document on the 2800, and Ive just ordered one from Amazon.
When it arrives I'll be able to check the differences between all the 2800 batches and link them to the P47 production batches.
I certainly know how to make work for myself!

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 08:23 AM UTC
Looking at Frank Klibbes "Little Chief" while doing the magneto research reminded me of a couple of photos Ive been meaning to post in the SIG.
Its not very often your able to say..." this happened right here", but looking at a photo of "Little Chief" at Halesworth in one of my books I noticed the small sign depicting the hardstanding number.
In this case hardstanding number 30.


A quick cross check of my plans of the airfield shows # 30 to be one of still intact hardstandings.
Heres the entrance seen from the southern end and facing east. Hardstanding 30 is on the left and the northern entrance to hardstanding 32 is on the right.

Here we see the northern end of Hardstanding 30 looking South East towards the hardstanding 30/32 junction in the first photo.

But which end of the hardstanding is "Little Chief" ?
The direction of the joins in the concrete gave me the answer. When I took the photo of the northern end of hardstanding 30 I was standing roughly where the starboard wing of "Little Chief" is in the picture.
Very satisfying to be able to make the connection.
Nige