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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 11:06 AM UTC
Is there any place I can get decals for "Wicked Wacker Wegee"? If they are available, which prop would I use from the Tamiya kit? It was a P47D-6-RE. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 09:24 PM UTC
OK, here is my first request for info, does anyone have any images or colour schemes for the Russian Lend-Lease P-47's as they apparently received between 190-205?

Also, I remember somewhere mention of a black RAF P-47 with a red lightning stripe along the side? Any info on that?

Cheers

Tony
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:01 AM UTC
Hi Lucky.
Its Arthur Bux and his P-47D-28 at Boxted.
This would have been delivered in a NMF and looks to have been overpainted in OD on the upper surfaces. Most likely grey on the undersides. Red cowling band and rudder.
Interesting how the cowling seems darker behind the red band and in front of the cooling fins, and also the canopy frame seems to be a slightly different colour. Most canopy frames were left unpainted. Probably the light reflecting.
Apart from the 63rd FS "M"'s I have no records of black bands around the cowlings, and that didnt come into effect until early 1945.Also I have no records of 56th FG having different coloured canopy frames as in some 9th USAAF Fighter Groups.


Allen, while looking for something else P-47 related I came across this photo of the original artwork for Lil Butch.

Nige
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:10 AM UTC
Nige sorry another question,
Been having a look around the web and found HV-T


Now not to hard to change a H to a T but what colour would this P-47 be? just looks like the colour goes all round.

Ciao
Luciano
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:40 AM UTC
Thanks Nige I'll now get on with the kit

Ciao
Luciano
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:36 AM UTC
Hi Lucky
No luck on a photo.
I would suggest an un-named P-47D-25 serial number 42-26634 which is listed as being a 61st FS P-47 bearing the codes HV-H
This would have been delivered in a NMF with olive drab anti glare panel and black bands around the rudder and horizontal stabilisers.
Red cowling and red rudder for 61st FS.
Hope this helps. A bit vague but in the absence any specific details then you'll probably be best just depicting a generic 61st FS Bubbletop.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:19 AM UTC

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Hi Lucky.
Very quick reply Im afraid as Im just dashing out of a hotel into work
CV-X. Checking Little Friends for pictures I havent been able to locate Bubbletop. By the "Bubbletop" era the 359th FG had converted to Mustangs. Green nose band and red rudder would be your standard markings for that squadron/group though.
As for the 56th FG example HV-H.
Red cowling band and red rudder.
You could do a NMF, olive drab anti glare panel and black bands around the horizontal stabilisers and rudder for both aircraft.
For HV-H you could also use a grey/green camouflage as commonly seen with Donovan Smiths aircraft, or a break up pattern similar to Gabby Gabreskis aircraft.
I'll try and post a photo or two soon. ( unless anybody beats me to it )
Nige



Nige any joy, no nose art would be ideal.

Ciao
Luciano
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 12:04 AM UTC

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Hi guys,
I've gone and done it now..went out to purchase a P-51 and came back with a P-47..go figure.
It's the Academy 1/48th scale kit.
But I'm now after some info on the 2 aircraft on the decal sheet.
1st up:WZ*S 84th FS,78th FG England..Nose art " Eileen "
2nd 88* 527FS86th FG Italy '44.

Generally before starting a build I like to have a bit of back ground on the aircraft,pilot etc.
Can someone help please.

Cheers

Chris



Hi Chris.
42-28878
WZ-S
Eileen.
Pilot. Lt Frank Oiler
84th FS
78th FG
Flew out of Duxford which is now the centre of warbird aviation in the UK..




The 86th FG was one of the groups flying out of Corsica. You may have seen William Wylers film Thunderbolt which was filmed at the time.
I dont have a pilots name for Rabbit at the moment, altough that particular P-47 is available as a dicast metal model also.
Heres quite a good profile for 88 "Rabbit" 527th FS 86th FG.
That should give you most of the painting information you require.
Hope this all helps
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 01:12 PM UTC
Hi guys,
I've gone and done it now..went out to purchase a P-51 and came back with a P-47..go figure.
It's the Academy 1/48th scale kit.
But I'm now after some info on the 2 aircraft on the decal sheet.
1st up:WZ*S 84th FS,78th FG England..Nose art " Eileen "
2nd 88* 527FS86th FG Italy '44.

Generally before starting a build I like to have a bit of back ground on the aircraft,pilot etc.
Can someone help please.

Cheers

Chris
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 08:46 AM UTC
It sure does, oh sagacious one

Will hopefully be starting a T-bolt soon once I've finished my current projects.

Cheers

Allen
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 01:53 AM UTC

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Thank you, You are the P-47 Oracle

I knew you would have the info, I'm still swayed toward "Miss Dallas" at the moment but will keep this info for when I do get round to doing it.

Cheers

Allen




Hi Allen.
I know your going to ask, so I'l save you the trouble:)

P-47C
41-6414
QP-K
Miss Dallas.
Pilot Victor France.
334th FS
4th FG

P-47D
42-7876
QP-K
Miss Dallas
Victor France
334th FS
4thFG

The decal sheet lists QP-K as being 336th FS John Dufour. Crossed info here. John Dufour was indeed 336th FS but didnt fly Miss Dallas.
Victor France went onto fly a P-51B named Miss Dallas and was KIA in that aircraft on 18th April 1944.

The cowling panel bearing the Miss Dallas artwork would have been easily transferrable between France's P-47 C and P-47D. This was common practice.

On his P-51 the artwork was repainted just under the canopy on the port side.

Artwork reproduced by the original artist.




Vic France is on the left of this photo and his P-47C is visible in the background.(Note the 200g ferry tank which dates the photo around July 1943.

Here we see Vic France under the cowling of his P-47D


Hope this helps

Nige




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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 12:44 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc!
So you finally watched the footage! Im glad you enjoyed it.
As for ferry tank photos, yes I have quite a few but I wont be home for a month

Allen.
The P-47 Oracle

Some more info that you may find usefull on Little Butch.
Much of the noseart of the 4th FG was recreated by the original artist a few years ago for a museum in the USA.
This is the artwork for Little Butch.



Decal manufacturers take note.

It also very possible that by July 1943 Little Butch may have been passed from Gilbert Ross to its next "owner" William Smith, although squadron codes etc remained the same. (red bordered star and bar etc etc
Nige
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 12:13 AM UTC
Thank you, You are the P-47 Oracle

I knew you would have the info, I'm still swayed toward "Miss Dallas" at the moment but will keep this info for when I do get round to doing it.

Cheers

Allen
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 12:13 AM UTC
Hi Nigel!

I've watched the DVD... finally ... and wanted to ask you if you had more infos about those tanks. They look great with the teeth decorations. Thanks for the infos about them.
They don't look that complicated to produce. Do you have more detailed pictures with them, or even plans? It would be a nice project for the CAVE TONITRUM! Campaign!

Jean-Luc

P.S. Thanks a lot for the DVD! Fantastic stuff!
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 11:56 PM UTC
Hi guys.
Yes its a year already!
Allen. The details for "Little Butch" are correct.
P-47C-5-RE
41-6410
QP-Y
Gilbert Ross
334th FS
4th FG

The decal sheet is dated July 1943.
This is about the time that the "Star And Bar" as opposed the star in the yellow circle was coming into use.
The belly tanks used briefly in July 1943 were the 200 Gall "Ferry Tanks"
These were only used for a short period (approx a month) before the P-47s were fitted with belly tank shackles in August 1943.
So for a pre August 1943 P-47C you would need to fill the area around the fusalage shackle parts on the kit.
As far as Im aware, nobody produces an AM ferry tank for a P47. If any manufacturers are reading this etc etc...
The 56th naturally couldnt resist adding some decoration to these ferry tanks.



If you wanted to depict "Little Butch" around August 1943, the 75 gallon drop tank would be suitable.(see LM-F photo above). The 108 gallon drop tanks came into use in November 1943 and were initially carried under the fusalage only.
Use of these tanks positioned on the underwing shackles comenced in early 1944 (Feb/March)
P-47C's were not fitted with the appropriate plumbing and never carried drop tanks on the wings.
Havent found a photo yet but I'll keep looking.
Chances are that around June/July 1943 your P-47 would have been fitted with a whip ariel.
Hope this helps

Thanks for the input on various kits everyone!

Nige
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 07:27 PM UTC
Wow, a year already. I'll try to finish my P-47 before she turns two.

Matt
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 07:23 PM UTC
Hi Tony
cheers for the reply.
I can purchase it for $29.95NZD or $25.00 AUD.
It's a pity they don't do the Razor Back.such is life.
How detailed is the cockpit?

Cheers

Chris
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 06:41 PM UTC
The Academy kit looks fine in the box with plenty of stores options and nice looking decals. I understand from my reading that accuracy wise it is pretty good and apart from a few niggles about raised access panels was only truly superceded by the Tamiya 1/48th kits when they arrived.

The Tamiya 1/72 I understand is state of the art for 1/72 jugs, but given that the Academy kits are almost half the price of Tamiya ones in my neck of the woods it was interesting to pick one up.

Cheers

Tony
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 01:40 PM UTC
Tony,
Whats your honest opinion of the Academy kit (1/48th)??
After the weekend disaster with my 109,long story short,109 waiting to dry,left a can of paint near by
3year daughter thought she'd help now have a natural metal 109 canopy included.
I can pick up one of these fairly cheap or am I better to spend the same amount on the Tamiya T'bolt in 72nd scale
Comments please.
Cheers

Chris
PS I forgot to thank a couple of you for providing info on P-47 G9-9 "Turtle No 9."
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 01:18 PM UTC
Did a little P-47 shopping over the last weekend, picked up the Osprey "Modelling the P-47 Thunderbolt" book by Brett Green and just for giggles got the Academy 1/48 P-47D "Nose art" boxing.

Cheers

Tony
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 07:58 AM UTC
Ahh, despite being a T-bolt fan, references are the one thing I do have in short supply (I only have the Motorbooks International Warbird History P-47 Thunderbolt by William N Ness) and I keep meaning to get more.

This is a section of the instructions, They have managed to get one of the C's and the D correct but it's the "Little Butch" that I have doubts over.



and a quick Google found this which shows a "C" cowling. I don't suppose you could shed any more light when you get back to your references?

I might purchase some of the Loon "C" cowling's just to be on the safe side anyway

Cheers

Allen
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 05:20 AM UTC
Good shopping Allen!
I have the D/M sheet on order. It will be waiting for me when I get home in a month.

As regards C's/D's on decal profiles.
Its not uncommon to see C's represented as D's on the decal sheet profile.
Check your references and if you need a C cowling in 1:48th then the Loon Models resin cowling for the Tamiya kit is the business.
You also need to check your references as to the type of ariel fitted to the aircraft. Many of the C's were fitted with a whip ariel as opposed to a mast.

Nige
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 04:35 AM UTC
The Sheet is Eagle Strike Productions EP48273 and it includes the following:

Spitfire Mk Vb 336th FS, MD B, BL722 "Top Hat"
Spitfire Mk Vb 334th FS, XR B BL376 "Stinky"
P-47C 334th FS, QP Y, 16410 "Little Butch"
P-47D 336th FS, QP K 27876 " Miss Dallas"
P-47C 336th FS, VF O 16183 "Reddog"

I'll probably end up doing "Miss Dallas" first as that's what drew me to the sheet, but hopefully I'll get round to doing some of the others as well.

One question is that the profile for "Little Butch" says that it is a P-47C but the cowl flaps in the image are the same as a D is this correct

The other sheet has been bought for the Campaign build I which I'm hoping to do P-47D-30 44-33136 of the 397th FS (surprisingly only the tail is shown on the front page).

Cheers

Allen
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 03:22 AM UTC

..don't think we've seen any 4th FG Tbolts yet on the SIG....what subjects are covered on the sheet and more to the point which are you planning to do....?
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 07:49 AM UTC
As promised here's a pic of the decals that arrived yesterday



and the trip to the LHS the next town over was quite fruitful. It was a hard decision as they had all three of the 1/48 Tamiya T-bolts but I settled on this as I have a few Razorback decals to use now



Cheers

Allen