| Subject: Twin Spinner Condor Legion Do-17P |
 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 - 10:05 AM UTC |
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Masks and flaps arrived today from Hannants so I can get this build back on track. The flaps look really nice but require the bottom half of the wing to be removed. Since I've already glued and sanded this area I'm going to chicken out of installing the flap. Discretion being the better part of valor. If I get another kit I'll use them on that, perhaps the ICM one as it is half the price. The pre-cut masks are a great idea and fitted perfectly just one small slice needed with the scalpel. The whole thing was masked in half an hour, for a canopy like the Do-17s that is fantastic. As you can see I've been very lucky when I fogged the canopy, nearly all the places fogging occurred are getting painted anyway. I'll use white glue or something other than cement or superglue in future.   Put PVA Glue on the nose and rear bubble as liquid mask. I'll let that dry overnight and paint on the interior colour tomorrow. Critique welcome |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 10:39 AM UTC |
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Underside painted in sky, and the lightest of the three colour splinter painted. The pattern is marked out with pencil. I had the weirdest thing happen, when painting on sky tamiya onto the underside it lifted off the primer and created a horrible sludge. It was with a new brush and the primer was humbrol enamel. I thought the acryilc shouldn't lift the primer. Could it be chemicals in the new brush? I've given it a good wash with detergent and used an older brush to finish atfer sanding down the damage. Not a nice April Fool. Progress so far.  Next mask off for the next colour. PS That is most definitely not my copy of "Grazia"  |
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 | Taylor Neely Yeti123 | Location: Michigan, United States Member Since: February 11, 2008
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| Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 01:26 PM UTC |
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Nice looking DO. I can't wait to see it finished. I love Condor Legion schemes |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:56 PM UTC |
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Dunkelbraun applied. Looks a little uneven under the light but the gloss and matt coats to come will even it up. Colours are not really correct having done a bit more research but they'll have to do. It appears this plane (27.28) was re-painted in two tone splinter in the winter of '37. I've used enamel for Dunkelbraun after the mess the acrylic made of the underside. It went on nice an easy, I'll need to practice with the acrylic.  |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:01 AM UTC |
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 | Eric Williams ejclide | Location: Ohio, United States Member Since: January 03, 2008
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| Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:45 AM UTC |
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that paint scheme is..... well, don't think this is fruity, but it's BEAUTIFUL. I gotta try that. But anyway, it looks great, and I can't wait to see that thing done and on it's own legs! good work. |
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| Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:58 AM UTC |
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Great looking camo scheme. Should look stunning once its done. For your first attempt at a 3 tone paint scheme you have done a great job. Keep up the good work. Andy  |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 04:11 AM UTC |
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Thank you both so much for the kind words. Coming from you it is really appreciated. I know there are a few things I would do better next time. Mostly it is about not rushing. Tasks left to do: a bit of touch-up and remedial work on the undersurfaces, a coat of future, assemble and paint the landing gear. decals, more future, wash the panel lines, No weathering on this bird as she has only landed in spain for a month before she is repainted in two tone. Maybe a bit of muck round the wheels and smoke stains for the exhaust. No paint chips. One last coat of semi matt varnish Attach landing gear and aerials. Off with pre-cut canopy masks and a brush of future over the canopy and done. Probably should be done by two weeks. Since I only get an hour or two if I'm lucky. Better to take it slow and not make mistakes. I've already forget to put the guns in before gluing the canopy, but it isn't coming off and wrecking that paint job  |
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 | Carl Althaus CaptainA |  | Location: Indiana, United States Member Since: May 14, 2007
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| Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 10:27 AM UTC |
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Wow. That is a beautiful paint job. You done good. |
Now, to quote Monty Python "Albatros"
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 08:35 PM UTC |
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Thanks, CaptA No updates here but that don't mean I've not been busy.
The undercarriage is totally out of scale, the wheels are too big to go into the wheel wells and too wide to go into undercarriage forks. So I'm going to do an in flight model instead. It shows the nice lines of the Do-17 better.
I looked at a photo of the Do-17P in flight to see what the tailwheel looked like, and saw that the HUGE air intakes supplied as resin parts for the kit don't exist in real life. They have to go. There is a little hump there instead. I'll make that up with some styrene card. Why did RS include such rubbish resin parts? The cockpit was good but the exhausts and air intakes bear no resemblance to reality.
So a bit extra work to do but I'll be happier it is at least someways real looking. Never did like the look of those huge air intakes anyway. It'll look much more like a flying cod when it is done.
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 10:14 AM UTC |
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This is what I'm talking about. Got a book out of the library which has 1:72 scale drawings of the Do-17P. So using that I cut out new intakes from plasticard. The hobby shop is next to the library which is very handy indeed. Here is a snap of the new intake. Compare that to the one supplied with the kit which is sitting on the wing. I don't know if you can't make something that small in resin, but there must be a better way.  I'll let the glue set on them, then primeand paint them and I'll be back to where I was at the start of the week. I think I'll try and get scale drawings before I start builds in future. Much happier with the look of the model now though. |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:39 AM UTC |
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Last leg now. Decals applied they went on fine with just water, no wrinkling or tearing. I used a sludge wash to pick out the panel lines, and add a bit of grime, not too much, just a bit of dust and dirt on the underside. Varnished it all with a matt coat. I'm just waiting on the props, aerials and pitot to dry before fitting them. Here is the story so far.   Hope to finish next time. |
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 | Eric Williams ejclide | Location: Ohio, United States Member Since: January 03, 2008
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| Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 06:25 PM UTC |
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that's looking NICE Jaypee. the wash on the underside looks really nice too. can't wait to see it in the campaign gallery! |
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| Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:07 PM UTC |
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Thanks Eric, but I think the photography masks the sheer messiness of the wash. It looks OK I guess but I didn't really feel in control of the process.  I need to use a much thinner brush to put the sludge on. Or just use a thinner wash, but you need to experiment with these things. swannysmodels.com has a good tutorial on this I'll follow that next time. Also now it has dried the matt varnish has a very glossy look to it. It was humbrol enamel matt varnish. Klear gives a much better semi gloss, I used that on a Stuka I've finshed recently.  Despite all this I'll put it on a stand and admire the splinter camo at least I'm happy enough with how that came out. The stand is in the post and the build should be finished tonight I'll take some pictures outside in daylight for the gallery. |
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 10:11 AM UTC |
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Fini! Put the final touches onto intavia tonight. It's been the most ambitous model I've done to date. And I've learned a lot. Some things went well others not so. Overall though it has been FUN. Thanks to eric andrew and carl for their encouragement. Minuses: Out of scale parts, not satisfied with my method of wash. Humbrol matt varnish being glossy. fogging the canopy. Pluses: Splinter camo, masking windows, seams, scratchbuild from plasticard, research, first use of PE and resin, first limited run kit, changing the plan went things went agley.      All images are clickable and take you to my flickr stream where you can get hi-res versions I got a stand in the post today so I'll try and post some photos from outside in the daylight tomorrow. That empty glass is a G&T. That way it don't stain when it spills. Unlike malt which is reserved for a finish, like now. Slainte! As ever critique and suggestions welcome. And bonus points if you spot the obvious mistake  See y'all in the "when I flew with" campaign. |
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 | Mike AirLedge | Location: Cork, Ireland Member Since: July 26, 2007
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| Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 09:28 PM UTC |
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Nice work JP Definitely a lot more pluses than minuses Slainte |
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 | Jesper SGTJKJ | Location: Kobenhavn, Denmark Member Since: July 20, 2006
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| Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 11:37 PM UTC |
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Looks great. The camouflage is awesome. A very nice entry into the campaign |
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 | Carl Althaus CaptainA |  | Location: Indiana, United States Member Since: May 14, 2007
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 10:19 AM UTC |
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That scheme looks fantastic. I think you have really given us a good build for the campaign. You really have one to be proud of. If you hit the return (ENTER) in between pictures when you post to the forum, it will keep the thread form being so wide. I think you can go to the edit button and correct it also. |
Now, to quote Monty Python "Albatros"
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 | John-Paul Foster jaypee |  | Location: Scotland, United Kingdom Member Since: February 07, 2008
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 10:18 PM UTC |
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Message received and understood. That should rectify it. Thanks CaptA, I've really enjoyed building it, I must admit I approached with some trepidation since it cost so much and I'd never used PE which looks horribly fragile, or resin which looked like a block of cheese with some chairs and exhaust ports sticking out of it. If it hadn't been for this campaign it might have sat there for ages and I'd still be scared of it. Thanks for arranging it. As for this kit if it wasn't for the price, £24, I'd buy it again. If anyone does buy this kit check the undercarriage with line drawings and photos. And fix those air intakes  I bought it because I really wanted some spanish civil war planes and by the time you pay for decal sheets, PE seat belts and the like you probably are nearly at twenty quid mark. For now i've got Do17 PE flaps from Extratech left over, so I think I'll try the ICM 1:72 kit as it is half the price. I'll feel a lot happier next time with these materials. I really liked the seatbelts. Which brings me to the obvious mistake. Where is the crew?! This is the Mary Celeste  |
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| Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 01:09 AM UTC |
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Finished pics uploaded to the gallery. |
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 | Phil Box almonkey | Location: England - East Midlands, United Kingdom Member Since: March 23, 2003
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| Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:53 AM UTC |
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hi jaypee! i have this same kit, i bought it because i really wanted an early dornier, plus i have quite a few other condor legion kits because i think that splinter camo they wore is a really nice scheme. interesting couple of heads up you give in your thread, especially about the undercarridge! i normally build my stuff wheels down, so hopefully there is a way to make them work. cheers, phil |
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