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WW2 & RLM Colour Comparison Chart
pbhawkin
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Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - 01:56 PM UTC
New chart are uploaded (thanks Rowan).
If you want bigger charts email me and I can send them to you. They are about 1.4Mb each and 2900x2300 in size roughly.
gib027
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 11:00 AM UTC
Excellent work. I tried to do this myself years ago, and I know how much time (and money) it takes to put together a chart like this! Now if only someone could do a chart on Japanese colors!
Mad44ms
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 04:36 AM UTC
I would like to ask. What is a source or sources of colors and RGB?
For example the information on "FineScale Modeller", "Scale Aviation Modeller International" pages and at other sources concerning FAA colors is not the same. The RGB of paints from different manufacturers for FAA are also not exactly the same.
pbhawkin
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 10:20 AM UTC
Hi Vaidas,

The RLM colour chips are the ones from Merrick and Kiroff's book on Luftwaffe camouflage.
The excel chart that lists Italian, RAF, FAA, French colour equivalents I think I got the RGB and cmyk values from the old Chandelle aviation journal site, or it could have come from here:
http://orb-software.com/ScaleModelHelperOnline

I am not sure now but it was a online list.
Mad44ms
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 - 07:26 AM UTC
Hi, Peter,

thank you for information.
There is a part of my investigation :

pbhawkin
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 - 10:39 AM UTC
Hi,
Very nice too.
I also used a reference called:
"Digital RAF WW2 Colours"
"Compiled and matched by: W.S. Marshall SA Colours & Markings."

I have it saved as a PDF file and can send it to you if that is of use? I suppose a Google search would find it as well.
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 - 11:53 AM UTC
Gentlemen,

Thank you for your effort with this post. Useful.
Mad44ms
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 05:22 AM UTC
Thank you, Peter,
I've find it. Really very interesting.

There is my investigation concerning Japanese WWII aircraft camouflage:



pbhawkin
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 02:23 PM UTC
Good job.,
For the VVS this site is very comprehensive:
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ColorResearch/paints.php
and
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/index.html

I have attached links to the Japanese and FAA PDF files that you may find useful too see my website at:
http://www.petersplanes.com/links.htm


Mad44ms
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 12:16 AM UTC
Hi, Peter,

Thank you for links to valuable information.
Soviet WWII VVS (military air force) colors took more my time than other investigations.
There are 2 challenges:
1. There are 2 different concepts.
2. The restrictions of Federal Standards.
One of concepts is based on Erik Pilawskii book „Soviet Air Force Fighter Colours 1942-1945“. The White Ensign Models enamel paints for WWII Soviet planes represent this concept. Mr.Akanihin represents another concept by AKAN paints. Mr. Pilawskii investigation methods were based on paints description found in archive and analysis of photos. Mr.Akanihin method is a bit straighter forward. Mr. Akanihin is dealing with paint examples and paint preparation receipts from archive. Mr.Akanihin claims that AKAN paints represent exact authentically used colors.
So I choose Mr.Akanihin concept with addition of some issues from Mr. Pilawskii.

Federal Standard describes some certain colors like milestones describe the road and you know where are you. Sometimes the road has too many turns near the milestone. So turns can be described by one milestone only. Or the milestones are too far from turn to describe it. RGB model is 3D representation of colors. It’s like rooms in a building. We can measure and calculate the distance between rooms.

So the first table represents the AKAN color, closest Federal Standard color and distance between. Please note that FS color code means RGB and the first digit is meaningless in this case. Colors are sorted from darkest to white.



There are few notes:
The AII Green is darker than AMT-6 Black. There is no close match in ModelMaster, Humbrol and LifeColor assortment.
AMT-1 Light Brown and A-21M Light Brown are very similar and FS23420 covers both colors. It’s good because these colors were used in a way to replace each other.
AII Blue is lighter than AMT-7 Blue but the most close described by Federal Standard color is the same. It’s not as good as with Light Brown.

There is a chart of paints for WWII Soviet air force. Please note that colors are selected as close as possible to AKAN color and not to FS color as measured in previous table. The red text means this information is not related to Mr.Akanihin.



There are needed few words about AII Light Brown, AII Brown and AII Dark Green. Mr.Pilawskii writes in his book about LaGG-3 and Yak-1 planes allocated in Caucasus as a part of South Front. The AII Light Brown and AII Brown were used according this information. Mr.Akanihin doesn’t confirm this information. Well, I’ve included those colors into color chart.
Another issue is AII Brown and AII Dark Green colors. Mr.Akanihin doesn’t confirm existence of those colors too. Most modelers know preshading technique. What color will be visible in a case of too thin layer of black? For example let’s use AMT-4 Green and AII Light Brown. I think the source of misunderstanding concerning AII Brown and AII Dark Green is thin layer of AMT-6 Black above AII Light Brown and AMT-4 Green and fading by sun. Mr.Pilawskii used mostly black and white photos for analysis of colors so I think it is very probable occurs in this methodic.

There are camouflage schemes.

Mad44ms
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - 07:00 AM UTC
The Italian WWII camouflage is a little bit tricky due to the free interpretation of colors by airplane manufacturers. There is a common camouflage:
Mad44ms
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
The French WWII aircraft camouflage had some variation of color combination. It's good to pay attention to model manufacturer information concerning camouflage colors. There is a common camouflage scheme.

Mad44ms
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 05:57 AM UTC
There is common Swedish WWII aircraft camouflage:
Mad44ms
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Posted: Friday, August 08, 2014 - 04:41 AM UTC
There are common schemes of USA aircraft camouflage in WWII.
The Olive Drab ANA613 was ordered for use instead of Olive Drab 41 in 1943. But in fact the use of ANA613 in USAF was started at the final stages of WWII.






There is picture from my „kitchen“. Yellow means the paint described by manufacturer for certain color. The number below color means the distance from standard.

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Posted: Friday, January 02, 2015 - 11:28 PM UTC
Are you familiar with a company that produces WW2 a/c colours that are water based?
I think it is out of Spain
pbhawkin
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2015 - 04:58 AM UTC
Hi M1FredQ,
I think you mean Vallejo?
they do both a airbrush (model air) and a paint brush (model color) line.
They have a very comprehensive range of WW2 colours that are in general very accurate and are easy to use. A great choice of paint if you had to choose one.
polo1112
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2015 - 04:37 PM UTC
Many thanks for these outstanding and very useful Informations.
Thanks. Polo.
pbhawkin
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Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 03:09 PM UTC
Updated charts from June.
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2019 - 04:02 AM UTC

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Hi all,
Both the excel spreadsheet and the RLM colour comparison chart are updated on my website as of today.
this link isnt working !!
See;
http://www.petersplanes.com/links.htm

pbhawkin
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2019 - 11:22 AM UTC
Hi,
I regret to say that I had to close my website as it was getting too expensive to host just for a hobby.
My latest chart (August 2017) has the new Humbrol Acrylic and Enamel RLM ranges added, which are the same as the ones that can be downloaded from the link in post number 1 (except my latest sheet has all the New Humrol enamels apart from number 252).