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Armor/AFV: What If?
For those who like to build hypothetical or alternate history versions of armor/AFVs.
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What if Panther II, US ARMY!
Mig_Jimenez
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La Rioja, Spain / España
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 11:22 PM UTC
hello guys.

I just finished my last model, except a figure which I must paint now. It is a risky idea, but funny anyway, which allow me freedom to make a different camuflage and different ideas.

here I put the history and explanation, and you can see more pictures in my blog:

http://www.migjimenez.blogspot.com/

I remember to have read in a book (maybe from Albert Speer) where supposedly, a cracked German government's part, wanted to force an alliance with the United States to fight against the communism. In fact, some of those Germans attempted without success the alliance until the last days of the Reich. It is also said that, the Germans facilitated and even favored subtly the allied advance in the eastern front, to be able to force them to fight against the Soviets. For Hitler has been a perfect solucción to avoid the destruction of his empire, but fortunately, the Americans didn't have any intention of allying with the Germans in a suicide.

This Panther is an example of what could have been if German and Americans have united their efforts to stop the Soviet locomotive. Surely, the Americans had put to their service some of the best German weapons. The German factories would have renewed the production to increase the number of tanks and vehicles in the battle field, but mainly to increase the quality and to take advantage of the proximity of the production place. Maybe, the Americans have carried out small changes, perhaps in the camuflage, the identifications, or secondary armament or radios.

My Panther II have an American radio and a German one too, to be able to communicate with all type of vehicles. Also, they have applied some stains of American green color on the German original camuflage, a little worn away.

The most important thing of everything is the infinite possibilities of combinations to make dioramas and ideas under the concept of that possible alliance. I hoep you like this "what if" history".













I hope you like it.

Mig Jimenez

http://www.migjimenez.blogspot.com/

Karl187
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 12:53 AM UTC
The master strikes again!

I love 'what ifs' but this one never occurred to me even though I've read about this German idea a couple of times (Anthony Beevor mentions it in several of his books on battles of WW2).

The camouflage and markings are simply spot on. Especially the 'This Way to the War' and 'Under New Management' ones. Did you do those yourself Mig?

Fantastic stuff altogether.
GALILEO1
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Maryland, United States
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 02:15 AM UTC
Excellent in all respects, Miguel! Love the weathering. You sir are really an inspiration!

Rob
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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England - North, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 02:26 AM UTC
Very nice, Mig. Very nice indeed. I do enjoy a good "what if", and this certainly fits the bill in every respect.

Is the kit the old DML offering, and did you make any alterations to it?

- Steve

chnoone
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Armed Forces Europe, United States
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 02:41 AM UTC
What do you mean with "what if" Panther II.
The Panther II is currently in service with the U.S. Army .... but it doesn't anything like yours
But yes, your looks quite nice too !
Nice paint job, weathering looks realistic too, looks like you will get away with this one .... again!

Well done
Christopher
SteveReid
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Massachusetts, United States
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 03:01 AM UTC
Mig-
the variation in colors, the chipping, the rain streaks, oil stains, the straw and leaves on the engine deck... on and on..

Really some thing to aspire to. Love it!

Steve
spitfire303
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Vendee, France
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 03:04 AM UTC
ufffffff that's just a great piece of a Panther Miguel!! I love your work. If you could be so kind and give me (us) few hints about the weathering (especially the sides) and as I'm always I'm interested what did you use to make that hard edged camouflage. I guess it's airbrushed, the masking was made with masking bands like tamiya, a liquid mask ... or it's a free hand camo? Non.... too perfect for free hand...

thanks for sharing
spit
recceboy
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Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 03:54 AM UTC
Mig

Well done another great build.

Thanks

Anthony
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ARMORAMA
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 04:32 AM UTC
A very good model of what if WW2 1946 occured, and it shows that you continue to improve your style.
John_O
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
Oooooh yeah baby! Love it, love it, love it. That Panther F is just one slick m*f* isn't it? Drewl...

John
slodder
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North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 12:22 PM UTC
That looks really good. The color scheme and shapes are really nice. As always techniques are impecable.
Great to think about
LSniper
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 01:42 PM UTC
Very interesting build it looks cool!

Matt
Jmarles
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 03:00 PM UTC
As usual, your work is very cool! I always thought it would be cool to arm a German tank with an American gun, as an interm solution until German industry stabilizes. Maybe a Pershing/Panther?
padawan_82
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United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 10:10 PM UTC
very nice, it's good to see one of the Modelling Masters showing us newbies (i'm talking about myself in that regard) how it's done, just one observation, and this isn't a critism, i wouldn't dream of critising one of my betters. but if it's an American Panther II wouldn't they have a turret mounted 50. Cal? just my two cents, other than that excellant build
metooshelah
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Jerusalem, Israel
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 10:13 PM UTC
very nice!
not much into what-if, but this model looks very nice.
why didn't you tie the equipment on the back with some thing?
the minute the tank's stated moving, it will fall down

Jenseits
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Indre-et-Loire, France
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 11:29 PM UTC
masterful technique. like I told you once "the panzer is great and you are his prophet"
TankSGT
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Posted: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 04:26 AM UTC
Excellent work from a master. Just a thought for the next what if. A late model Sherman cupola and a Browning 30 cal in the hull, and as mentioned earlier the ubiquitious(sp) 50 cal on the turret. No American tanker would leave home without it.

Tom
Graywolfgang
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Louisiana, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 05, 2010 - 07:49 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Excellent work from a master. Just a thought for the next what if. A late model Sherman cupola and a Browning 30 cal in the hull, and as mentioned earlier the ubiquitious(sp) 50 cal on the turret. No American tanker would leave home without it.

Tom



I was thinking the same thing. Hate to say it he needs to go back and add a 50cal on the roof mount for the TK commander.
Graywolfgang
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Louisiana, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 05, 2010 - 08:04 PM UTC
Hay Guys, I’ve be away for some time. I like you cirnareo. This is what I though about when I did my Rail Station.

"Back to Old Mother Russia"
Except This Time, With a Difference

Hitler died in late 44 of a Heart Attack. Germany sued for Condishinial Surrender. The SS wear disbanded, a new unit The Wolfs Guard was formed. The Maltese Cross replaced the Swastika on all uniform emblems and flags. The German War Machine was allowed to continue to build and develop equipment and arms.
This is a combined force of German and Allied Forces disembarking from a freight train on their way to OLD MOTHER RUSSIA Spring 1946. The Freight Train is being accompanied by a BP-46 Armored Train.
armagh5
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Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 12:14 PM UTC
looks great
brilliant idea the painting and weathering are just right
regards andrew
Klinker
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Tasmania, Australia
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Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 03:31 PM UTC
Excellent, truly excellent .... well done that man!