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Alternative Pzkpfw V Tanks
EggMan
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Posted: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:46 AM UTC
I dont know if these tanks are real or not, but they look funny.

http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/r68603787a39.jpg

(Pzkpfw V Ausf. A With Infrared Night-Vision Devices)

http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/r6860430818c.jpg

(Pzkpfw V Ausf. D With Gas Tanks)

http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/r686060155bb.jpg

(Pzkpfw V Ausf. G With Two Barrels)

Cheers,

EggMan
TheGreatPumpkin
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Posted: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 10:05 AM UTC
Egg,
Well, the first and last are probably fakes. But the middle one did exist. This was a setup for training vehicles, so they wouldn't use gasoline. It was a wood-burning system that generated gas that was combustible. Alot of civilian trucks used this system in Germany as fuel supplied dwindled. It was really fragile, so it would not have been used on combat vehicles (but I'll bet money that someone used them in combat). Anyway, I hope that helps.
Regards,
Georg
panzerbob01
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Posted: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 11:52 AM UTC
Egg, George;

The first one MAY have existed, in so far as the Germans did deploy some IR vision devices on Panthers (though generally on G versions)- the cupola device appears to be the stock-model IR light-and-bildwandler system as kitted by Tamiya and some AM parts from folks such as LionRoar. There's no real reason they couldn't have stuck one a these IR sets on an "A".

That double-barrel thing... Yikes! A Lupara-Panther! Bet that pic came from Sicily.... LoL!

As for Panther number 2 with those gas tanks....

Actually, yes, this was a real vehicle- one of those few tanks and other armored vehicles outfitted with BOTTLED GAS - propane or butane - for use as "fahrschule" (driver's school) training vehicles. Not a "holzgas" wood-burner nor a coal-burner, but a liguified-gas vehicle. To compare with what a vehicle with a holzgas or kohlengas device looks like, see the Italeri kit of a late-war Opel Blitz w/ holzgas...

Cyber Hobby has kitted this very "Panther D with Stadt-gas" ("city gas" - used for cooking) in their white-box limited-run series. They also have kitted a similarly equipped StuG III G and Marder III M.

PS: The kit is pretty cool- those tanks are just the bee's knees of strangeness on a tank- imagine carrying around a 1000 lbs or so of compressed bottled gas on your rear deck in a battle... every guy out there would be having all sorts of dreams of glory as he sighted in on those bottles! One can only imagine what sort of jokes went around at the training ground when guys met this thing...

The letter home that evening could have read something like... "Well, Dad, today was a Big Day at the front for your bouncing baby boy! The Krauts sent another of those big ol' Panther tanks out at us this morning. Strangest thing I've seen yet. Looked just like one a their regular types which murder all those poor slobs in those Shermies, but it had these big gas bottles all over the rear deck. Dang! But I managed to bag it with only one little shot from my trusty M-1! Just one shot - bang! and up she went with a whoosh and the biggest darned fire-ball I've ever seen! Stupid Huns actually mounted a bunch a propane cylinders right up on the back... can you imagine? See you soon! Love, Steve"

Bob
TheGreatPumpkin
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Posted: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:53 PM UTC
Bob,
While there may have been an IR-equipped Panther G, the photo in the post is a fake. If you have the Concord Panther book, look on page 19 and you'll see the picture that was used as the basis (note the silhouette of the crewman in front of the tank). This was debated on Track-Link 10 or so years ago and the consensus was that while IR sets may have been used, it wasn't on the tank in the picture!
Regards,
Georg
Phil_H
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Posted: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:57 PM UTC
LMAO...

You don't have to look too hard to see the double-barrelled one is faked. Almost all the little marks along the length of the barrels are duplicated exactly.
EggMan
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Posted: Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 06:24 PM UTC
Thanks guys for your answers.

It is sad that there is so many manipulated pictures in internet.

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7133209.png

Cheers,
EggMan
EggMan
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Posted: Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 07:14 AM UTC
Well here we go again...


http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7139655.jpg
FJCabeza
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Posted: Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 08:45 AM UTC
Yes when I did it ten years ago, never thought it would keep fooling people until today...

http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?idd=2718534&p=2
EggMan
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Posted: Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 05:07 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Yes when I did it ten years ago, never thought it would keep fooling people until today...



No wonder, it look so real

Are these real ones or models?

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7146075.jpg

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7146076.jpg
spitfire303
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Posted: Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 08:51 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Yes when I did it ten years ago, never thought it would keep fooling people until today...



No wonder, it look so real

Are these real ones or models?

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7146075.jpg

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=7146076.jpg



those are real
John_O
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Posted: Monday, December 06, 2010 - 03:55 AM UTC
Yes, those a real as Spit said. I believe it was a French company that used those 'conversions' till the seventies and even beyond. Can't remember where I read that...
Besides, you would be surprised how many French, Belgian, Dutch (and German?) farmers still have and use parts of tanks and whatnot... to this day!

Cheers from Belgium,

John