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LF Pavehawk Walk-arounds
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 - 04:40 AM UTC
Like the title says, I'm looking for a walk around of the pavehawk. I can find one of the blackhawk and seahawk, but none for the pavehawk.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2012 - 05:11 AM UTC
Here are a few for you and anyone else who needs them.

Pave Hawk 1
Pave Hawk 2
Pave Hawk 3
Pave Hawk 4 (incorrectly labeled as an MH-60G Black Hawk)
Pave Hawk 5

Those should get you started.

RotorHead67
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 05:42 PM UTC

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Like the title says, I'm looking for a walk around of the pavehawk. I can find one of the blackhawk and seahawk, but none for the pavehawk.



Matt;
Gino has gotten U started w/ some links, but bear in mind...
There are (2) distinct models of the Pave Hawk. HH & MH, One
is used for SAR and the other for SOC
Happy Rotor building!!!!! Rotorhead out.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 09:58 PM UTC

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There are (2) distinct models of the Pave Hawk. HH & MH, One
is used for SAR and the other for SOC...



They are not really "distinctly" different. They are the same aircraft. The name difference was only due to the command they fell under. Over the last few decades, the USAF command who owned the H-60Gs has changed between Air Combat Command (ACC) and Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC).

Initially, they were owned by AFSOC and were a Special Ops asset. They were known as the MH-60G, the M being for Multi-mission helicopter. A few years ago, they were transfered to ACC, where they were used as CSAR (Combat Search And Rescue) and are designated HH-60G. H is the designation for a rescue helicopter.

The only thing that changed on the aircraft though is the designation. They have changed over the years as upgrades and new equipment have been added though. But like I said, the aircraft is still the same under either designation.
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 - 02:13 AM UTC
So, I can build either bird using Academy's HH-60G kit?
RotorHead67
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 - 02:59 AM UTC

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The only thing that changed on the aircraft though is the designation. They have changed over the years as upgrades and new equipment have been added though. But like I said, the aircraft is still the same under either designation.



Gino,
. Did not mean to start a debate. I concur, they are both of
the Blackhawk family, but based on there mission assignment
is where the become different aircraft. IE Equipment fitted
Rescue hoist,Armament,Navigation Equipment,RWAR,FLIR,COMM,
not to mention interior layout. A SAR helo HH, will not be as
heavily armed as the SOC MH.
Removed by original poster on 10/16/12 - 02:28:33 (GMT).
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 - 02:28 PM UTC

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So, I can build either bird using Academy's HH-60G kit?



Yes, you can build either one from the Academy MH-60G because they are the same aircraft... As I answered in your same question from Feb '11, with pics (here.) The only difference between now and then is that you can now get the External Gun Mounts used over the last few years on HH-60Gs from Cobra Company.

The MH or HH designation is only based on the time when you are building it from. The best bet is to find a pic of one you like and copy it.

As Todd and I agree, the only differences are mission-equipment that can be added/deleted/changed as need for each mission. The aircraft is the same and the designation only changed in a day by the stroke of a pen when they were transferred from AFSOC (MH) to ACC (HH).
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 - 02:35 PM UTC
Thanks Gino.
RotorHead67
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 03:50 PM UTC
Matt & Gino
The reason I responded so quickly, is because back in the 80's when Academy first released the HH-60G kit, I purchased
one, and when I broke it open to drool, all I did was cry.

Hence forth I did adamant research, photo trips, and correspondence with Chris (Cobra Co.) to build an accurate HH-60G helo on my own from said kit. Cobra Co now makes the Blackhawk weapons kit, MH-60L kit, and other details from that adventure.

In all aspects it doesn't matter which kit you choose, it's all about how much additional work and AA sets you want to throw at it. You Gino as am I are pretty involved in the details of a build, and I can't resist adding that extra touch when manufacturers fall short of the mark.

Matt: Just pic a particular acft w/ photo references given
and enjoy your build. Good luck and Stay clear of the Rotorwash
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 06:34 PM UTC
The next question is when do you want the aircraft to represent? Out of the box, the Academy kit (minus the .50 cals in the doors, they were only tested in this position and not used operationally) represents an early '90s MH-60G under AFSOC. The Cobra Company sets will allow you to build anything from a '90s MH-60G to pretty much a current HH-60G.

That brings up the next question...is it going to be an MH-60G or an HH-60G? As stated above, an MH-60G and an HH-60G are the same aircraft.

Here are a few options.

You could do one of the few desert camo (brown and sand) MH-60Gs from the 55th Spec Ops Wing during ODS ('90-'91).


You could also go with an early to mid '90s Euro 1 camo (dark green, medium green, and medium gray) scheme.


To make a later version, you have to add some things. A good start, is to get the Cobra Company MH/HH-60G update set.

This pic shows most of the latest upgrades for more current HH-60Gs, including the external weapons and ammo can mounts.


My HH-60G is based on this helo from Iraq in 2003 stationed out of Davis-Monthan AFB, NM. It has a camo scheme very similar to the older 3-color (sand, brown, and khaki green) DCU uniforms worn at the time. Only a few were painted in this camo scheme.



Most current ones are painted in AFSOC Grey (Gunship grey, FS 36118 is really close).


Here is a similar one in AFSOC Grey with internal gun mounts and offset weather radar.



Also, some have the newer, center nose mounted (a.k.a snoopy nose) weather radar and others still have the lower left offset weather radar in both Euro 1 camo and AFSOC Grey. The same is the case for the newer, external weapons and ammo can mounts as well.

I also found a couple pics of an MH-60G in overall AFSOC Gray w/out plume detectors. It does have the nose-mounted radar and under the nose FLIR turret though.



To muddy the waters even more, the color schemes are not a definitive indicator of time and type of aircraft. There are still Euro 1 camo HH-60Gs with most, if not all of the block 152 upgrades flying. The AFSOC Grey repaint usually occurs when it goes in for depot level rebuild. Some units and/or contractors are able to add the different upgrade parts w/out a depot level rebuild. So repaints are slow to come.

As I always say, the best bet is to find a picture of one you want to build and copy it. The features have changed quite a bit and still change often as technology and tactics change.

Good luck on it and let me know if you have any more questions.
retiredyank
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2012 - 04:09 PM UTC
I plan on doing the desert camo. Been doing too many single color camos, lately.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2012 - 07:19 PM UTC

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I plan on doing the desert camo. Been doing too many single color camos, lately.



These may help then.




One of the 55th SOC aircraft did at least mount/test the .50 cal door guns as in the Academy kit.




Good luck and show some pics once you get started.
RotorHead67
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 - 03:49 PM UTC
Hey Gino,
Do you have any pics of the Sand,Brown,Green camo birds you mentioned. Is that the one you built? That would be a very
interesting change of scheme to build. Although I do like
the Euro 1 type scheme too. Thnx Cheers
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 - 05:09 PM UTC
Todd,
Yes, that is the one I built. They were out of the 305th Rescue Squadron, Air Force Reserve Command (AFRC), Davis-Montham AFB, AZ and the 301st Rescue Squadron, AFRC, Patrick AFB, FL and flew in OIF 1, '03-'04. Here are a few pics.




retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 - 07:26 PM UTC
I have noticed that the Spec Ops version is unmarked in photos. Is this do to plausible deniability?
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 - 07:33 PM UTC

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I have noticed that the Spec Ops version is unmarked in photos. Is this do to plausible deniability?



No, from what I have seen, all have at least the star and bar marking on the fuselage and USAF and number on the tail. It is hard to deny that the aircraft is US since we are one of the few countries who use them.

Here are a few more of the sand/brown ones from ODS.


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Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
How about a modern HH-60G "Pedro" from A'stan with a 'stash?




They are from the 56th Rescue Squadron out of RAF Lakenheath, England. More info on markings here.