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1/48 B-17F Build - 303rd BGs Luscious Lady
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 01:08 AM UTC
Brian,
looking forward to your update as it's been a while.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 12:58 AM UTC

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I haven't checked in on your build in some time but it's still going strong Brian. Keep it up !!



Thank you. It's tedious, especially with the demands of my day job. But there will be a brief update this weekend.
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 12:40 AM UTC
I haven't checked in on your build in some time but it's still going strong Brian. Keep it up !!
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 11:55 AM UTC
Karl,
Your shipping cardboard crate really looks well designed and up to the task.

Brian,
Mr. Color is slowly becoming my go to paints now that I got a new spray booth that I can actually setup in 2 min unlike the old homemade dinosaur that was a royal pain in the butt. Of course I've got to use up my supply of Tamiya and Mig Ammo paints 1st.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 09:34 AM UTC

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Hi Brian

if you were to tackle the Il-4 in a similar way, you'd actually tear the Xuntong Model to shreds - because it's a real "curate's egg" of a kit.

Rowan



Hummmmmmmmm. Had to look up "curate's egg" [Pause] Really?

I have it but never read any reviews. Sorry to hear this. It looked pretty good in the box.

Perhaps that's why the follow-up kit variants have been long in coming.
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 09:18 AM UTC
Hi Brian

Some of your detailing in this build leaves me in awe!

I have to say, though, if you were to tackle the Il-4 in a similar way, you'd actually tear the Xuntong Model to shreds - because it's a real "curate's egg" of a kit.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 01:44 AM UTC
Keep pushing on! The modelling is great and inspiring. As is your tenacity... I just start with redoing smalker stuff but not as much as you. Truly great modelling!

Gr TC
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 10:35 PM UTC
The HK models do not count as "decent" representations of the B-17. People seem think because they are new and big that they somehow are wonderful. The 43 year old Monogram B-17G in 48th was STILL the most accurately shaped B-17 out there until the new Airfix kit showed up. So the Revell 48th F is also a pretty decent shaped kit since it was allegedly copied from Monogram's G. It falls down in the areas of detail and general finish but Brian has shown that can be overcome! Okay, off my high horse... Brian, that looks quite good. Your patience with that sort of detailing is outstanding.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 11:43 AM UTC
MORE COCKPIT ROOF WORK

After the last post I decided to return to the radio gear etc. in the cockpit roof and add some wiring. I was pretty pleased with the result.



Not bad, huh? But ... wait, ah, there's might be something a bit "off" here. O.M.G.!

Can you see "what's wrong with this picture?"

It's BACKWARDS, because the roof is upside down.

THAT was discouraging.

Tonight it looks like this.



And its close enough to the images Karl posted.

I did not like the OD color I used on the roof exterior before, so switched to this, which is somewhat lighter:



I still have not decided whether to glue the roof on. But I HAVE decided to save that decision to much later in the build, like after I get the wings on. So, I decided to go for a "close to final coat" of OD on the roof and put the roof aside while I proceed to rescribe and correct scribing errors on the rest of the fuselage.

That means I took the masks off the windows to make sure they were acceptable, because I could not handle the suspense of waiting sooo long to see. Do not accuse me of a lack of patience.

Fortunately, it came out basically OK, as you can see, inside and out.









If I glue the roof on I plan to make the turret removable, and here you can see that one can see all the way down to the non-skid in the tunnel below the cockpit.



In general, one can see quite a bit even with the roof on.

With the anxiety of the roof over I hope to get in at least 15 minutes a day messing around with fuselage panel lines, in hopes of finally getting enough done that I can move on to the wings. For sanity's sake, I am going to defer fitting the nose on and completing the ball turret till after the wings are on.

It remains a marketing mystery to me that we can have a state-of-the-art Soviet IL-4 available



and still not have a decent B-17F (and B-17G for that matter) available. However, it actually resembles the 17 a bit around the cockpit and in the shape of the wings.



I know, I know, there are the 1/32nd HK Models but they are not my scale. Somebody with greater market knowledge will have to explain all this to me one day.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 11:09 AM UTC
Thanks Karl.

It is good to see another one of these under construction! Roof "a bear?"

Yes.

Post of this same area coming up.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 06:12 AM UTC
Okay, overhead you have the control for the radio compass and the controls for the command radio. The compass control has a flexible shaft and some wiring. These all run down the pilots left hand window post eventually ending up in the navigators compartment where the relay and receiver are located. The command units have three flexible shafts and related wiring. These all run along the right side of the turret structure. Remember the radio units on the the right forward bulkhead in the radio compartment? That is where all of this wiring and the three flexible shafts end up.



Here are the command radio components. The items marked in red are the flex shafts from the cockpit. The blue marked items are antenna inputs. This just a reference for those shafts, this is not in the cockpit.

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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 05:49 AM UTC
Hi Brian, sorry I haven't checked in for a while. I should be able to come up with some info on the wiring of the overhead radio equipment. I just finished fighting with the installation of that cockpit top and it is a bear. Still not 100% happy with it but I had to get it done to take to England next month. I didn't see that damn bump until I took the photo. Too late now to fix it. And like you, I had to shim the aft end.



You can see the white styrene shim aft of the turret opening:



It is going to England as carry on (I hope). The box is within the airlines carry on dimensions. Have to install the wings after we get there. Should be interesting...

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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 04:58 AM UTC

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Brian,
Doctor just found another heart issue that meds won't control. just took a Aorta Ultra Scan, and that came back Ok. Up next is a stress test and imagining. Test takes 5 hours. This is my 6th one since the heart attack 27 years ago. No issues until this year. Sure hope that the Ripper isn't behind all of this.

Joel
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Not happy to hear THIS man. I'll write you offline.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 03:58 AM UTC

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Hi Brian,
I've been admiring your build from the sidelines. I want to say that I'm in awe of your patience, attention to detail and determination to see this amazing project through. I cant wait to see the end result. More power to you.
With very best wishes,
Steve.



Steve,
I've followed Brian's build from day one, and his attention to detail, like yours, is truly amazing.

My only request that I've made to Brian, is to please finish it before I get my final visit from the Grime Reaper.

Joel



There will be another post today, assuming that the Grim Reaper doesn't dictate otherwise.

Thank you Steve for your kind words, and Joel of course for your continuing support!



Brian,
Doctor just found another heart issue that meds won't control. just took a Aorta Ultra Scan, and that came back Ok. Up next is a stress test and imagining. Test takes 5 hours. This is my 6th one since the heart attack 27 years ago. No issues until this year. Sure hope that the Ripper isn't behind all of this.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 02:57 AM UTC

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Hi Brian,
I've been admiring your build from the sidelines. I want to say that I'm in awe of your patience, attention to detail and determination to see this amazing project through. I cant wait to see the end result. More power to you.
With very best wishes,
Steve.



Steve,
I've followed Brian's build from day one, and his attention to detail, like yours, is truly amazing.

My only request that I've made to Brian, is to please finish it before I get my final visit from the Grime Reaper.

Joel



There will be another post today, assuming that the Grim Reaper doesn't dictate otherwise.

Thank you Steve for your kind words, and Joel of course for your continuing support!
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 02:30 AM UTC

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Hi Brian,
I've been admiring your build from the sidelines. I want to say that I'm in awe of your patience, attention to detail and determination to see this amazing project through. I cant wait to see the end result. More power to you.
With very best wishes,
Steve.



Steve,
I've followed Brian's build from day one, and his attention to detail, like yours, is truly amazing.

My only request that I've made to Brian, is to please finish it before I get my final visit from the Grime Reaper.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 08:57 PM UTC
Hi Brian,
I've been admiring your build from the sidelines. I want to say that I'm in awe of your patience, attention to detail and determination to see this amazing project through. I cant wait to see the end result. More power to you.
With very best wishes,
Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2018 - 01:05 PM UTC
Question for Karl Hauffe

I think I have the roof feathered-in enough that I might be able to just place it above the open cockpit rather than glue it tight, but that remains to be seen.

In the meantime, I'm reinstalling all that radio gear in the cockpit roof.

I have some photos showing where the electrical wires ran from this equipment but they aren't the best.

Karl, if you have any pics of the area or wiring diagrams, I'd be obliged!
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2018 - 12:20 AM UTC

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I'm one of the lucky modelers that build for the pure pleasure of it. After I finish a model and took the last pictures, I can dispose with it without much drama (exceptions allowed). I even intend to give away my completed models to my yt crowd if they pay for shipping. I had some 6 models damaged by Irma, of which the most important for me was a 1/350 Bismarck. I trashed them without flinching, but I couldn't part ways with Chow Hound just because isn't completed. Strange, huh?


Gabriel, I must say that I was extremely surprised by your comment. I'm the exact opposite about keeping models. For me building and collecting is the thing. The ultimate objective is to have a nice collection.

One side effect of the length of this build is that I've started to add to my collection purchasing the works of others on eBay, and also purchasing certain diecast manufacturers, Carousel 1 (now out of business) and Hobby Master, very much in business. I have also, to my shame, picked up a number of Franklin Mint diecast birds, but one has to be very discriminating in picking those.

Practically every one I have ready for final display I have tinkered with a bit to correct errors, mostly in markings. In some cases I have torn them apart in certain areas to fix gross errors like detailing an engine that's painted flat black, adding antenna wire, extra parts from the spares box, and things like that.

I've never been into the contests, so a reasonably decent "shelf model" is good enough for me in most cases. "Luscious Lady," of course, is a huge exception. But I also have to say that the length of this build has caused me to question the utility of super detailing. I've taken a more holistic look at kits and models as a result of this work, and adopted much more of a "if it looks right, then it's probably good enough" attitude.

Part of this is the actuarial factor at work. I will be nothing less than 69 years old in September, an antiquity so shocking that I can hardly accept it. What it means is that I know I'll never get done on my stash and if I want nice models to look at I have to "outsource" some of them. There still is some pleasure in doing corrections to the prefab ones to put "my stamp" on them.

Anyway, in addition to posting work on this build here I will periodically post in the series called "The Die Is Cast." (Pun intended.) Putting "OPW" (other people's work) on display with my tinkering gives me some opportunity to talk about my attitude towards modeling over the years.

I will tell you that this collecting urge and getting OPW stuff on my shelves isn't entirely new. It's just that I've done more of it since LL because I have so little time to model given my day job.

Anyway, expect the first post on that "series" later this week end too.



Bryan, I think I just don't have the collector's gene I can't explain better. I even set up a give away policy on my YT channel - it is explained in my last Channel Update - so if you like to collect other modeler's works and if you like what comes out from my bench - be my guest! I'll rather give them away to someone that I know will have good care than to some kiddo that gets excited for the moment and trashes it hours later

I'm very glad to see the building moving forward

Related to another conversation, I try to put at least 2 hrs every day in modeling, but sometimes those two hours are being eaten by doing research or editing YT videos or answering my posts... for instance last three days I spent less than 20 minutes at my bench - but that was rather an exception...

... and as Joel put it, probably I'm gonna die on the saddle as well

Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 02:42 PM UTC

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So you're still working a solid 60+ hours per week, and will be 69 shortly. I worked 50 hrs per week till I was 68, then cut it way back to 4 days 40 hrs. this past Nov I turned 70, and they still wanted me to work even though for years I've been telling them one more year and I'm retiring. Finally, one day at the end of this past Jan, I went into work, and just quit/retired/call it what you want. It was way past my time. When they asked me how much notice I was giving, I told them I've given them literally years of notice. And went home.


Joel:

Suppose I have always been something of a workaholic although I do wish there was a time in my life (now!) that I could slow down. Somehow or other, what with the massive wealth transfer associated with my divorce, and my transition from corporate to immigration law, it became clear that I couldn't retire. So I'm pretty much resigned to dying in the saddle. There are worse ways to go, especially when you think you are "doing good" for others.

But believe me, there are times when I wonder what it would be like to have all the time in the world on my hands and my stash to work on. Would I get bored? Would I have second thoughts? If I'm honest, probably not, if I had the ability to retire, but that's just not the way things worked out for me.

And enough on this subject! I'm going to do my first "The Die Is Cast" post in a few minutes.
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 02:33 PM UTC
MORE COCKPIT ROOF WORK

Tedium, but with a touch of accomplishment.

More plastic strip to create an even surface. I'll file this stuff down at the rear tomorrow.

Port Side



You can also see how much re-scribing work must be addressed on the nose.

I have REALLY got to thin down that paint before spraying, too!

Stbd. Side



Check back soon for a snail's pace update.
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 02:09 AM UTC
Brian,
An interesting concept for sure. I'd love to see some of the models and diecasts you've improved for your display. Honestly, it's something that I've never given much thought to as yet.

So you're still working a solid 60+ hours per week, and will be 69 shortly. I worked 50 hrs per week till I was 68, then cut it way back to 4 days 40 hrs. this past Nov I turned 70, and they still wanted me to work even though for years I've been telling them one more year and I'm retiring. Finally, one day at the end of this past Jan, I went into work, and just quit/retired/call it what you want. It was way past my time. When they asked me how much notice I was giving, I told them I've given them literally years of notice. And went home.

Honestly, retirement so far has been a constant vacation that just doesn't end. Although, my wife certainly doesn't think so. I even found time to go fishing twice per week. Haven't done that in more then 15 years.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 06:37 PM UTC
Brian,
Great to see you still at it!

Gaz
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 04:39 PM UTC

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I'm one of the lucky modelers that build for the pure pleasure of it. After I finish a model and took the last pictures, I can dispose with it without much drama (exceptions allowed). I even intend to give away my completed models to my yt crowd if they pay for shipping. I had some 6 models damaged by Irma, of which the most important for me was a 1/350 Bismarck. I trashed them without flinching, but I couldn't part ways with Chow Hound just because isn't completed. Strange, huh?


Gabriel, I must say that I was extremely surprised by your comment. I'm the exact opposite about keeping models. For me building and collecting is the thing. The ultimate objective is to have a nice collection.

One side effect of the length of this build is that I've started to add to my collection purchasing the works of others on eBay, and also purchasing certain diecast manufacturers, Carousel 1 (now out of business) and Hobby Master, very much in business. I have also, to my shame, picked up a number of Franklin Mint diecast birds, but one has to be very discriminating in picking those.

Practically every one I have ready for final display I have tinkered with a bit to correct errors, mostly in markings. In some cases I have torn them apart in certain areas to fix gross errors like detailing an engine that's painted flat black, adding antenna wire, extra parts from the spares box, and things like that.

I've never been into the contests, so a reasonably decent "shelf model" is good enough for me in most cases. "Luscious Lady," of course, is a huge exception. But I also have to say that the length of this build has caused me to question the utility of super detailing. I've taken a more holistic look at kits and models as a result of this work, and adopted much more of a "if it looks right, then it's probably good enough" attitude.

Part of this is the actuarial factor at work. I will be nothing less than 69 years old in September, an antiquity so shocking that I can hardly accept it. What it means is that I know I'll never get done on my stash and if I want nice models to look at I have to "outsource" some of them. There still is some pleasure in doing corrections to the prefab ones to put "my stamp" on them.

Anyway, in addition to posting work on this build here I will periodically post in the series called "The Die Is Cast." (Pun intended.) Putting "OPW" (other people's work) on display with my tinkering gives me some opportunity to talk about my attitude towards modeling over the years.

I will tell you that this collecting urge and getting OPW stuff on my shelves isn't entirely new. It's just that I've done more of it since LL because I have so little time to model given my day job.

Anyway, expect the first post on that "series" later this week end too.
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 04:18 PM UTC
COCKPIT ROOF WORK

Not a huge amount to show you this evening but I do want to confirm that, yeah, I'm still working on it…

So, basically, I glued the clear plastic to the roof, masked it, and sprayed it. Also added some plastic port side so that it fits better.

I'll start with the port side here:



And this is the starboard side, with a better fit to start.



More work on this over the w/e. There remains a lot of feathering work to do to make the rear of the roof part blend in better with the fuselage aft of it, and only after that's done will I make a final decision on whether or not I should glue the roof on. If it looks "seamless" after the work is done, then lifting the roof off is an option. Otherwise, well we will see, literally.