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1/48 B-17F Build - 303rd BGs Luscious Lady
Szmann
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 09:18 AM UTC
Sure it is!

I know when I put my Chow Hound together I was disappointed with how less can be seen inside...

But, as Richard said, if too much trouble...

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 05:03 AM UTC

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Brian - I love the idea of a removable roof . After all your painstaking work on the interior it would be nice to be able to view it . I don't want to push my luck here ( or push you over the edge !) but how about doing the same somewhere on the aft fuselage ? Great to see you back at it .

Cheers - Richard




Richard,
That's a great idea.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 03:33 AM UTC
Brian - I love the idea of a removable roof . After all your painstaking work on the interior it would be nice to be able to view it . I don't want to push my luck here ( or push you over the edge !) but how about doing the same somewhere on the aft fuselage ? Great to see you back at it .

Cheers - Richard
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 01:51 AM UTC
Karl,
That's attention to detailing beyond anything I've seen. And it's right out in front for the viewer to see.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 12:13 AM UTC
Thanks. I'll deal with it "in good time."
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 11:51 PM UTC
Hey, Brian, good to see you back at it!

I was tinkering with a 48th F and saw something I thought I would share with you. The pitot location looked off a bit. I pulled up a reference drawing and then made a pattern on a bit of old file folder. I then cut it out and placed it over the nose. Lo and behold, our friends at Revell missed it by a bit. Just a little detail that you haven't gotten to yet. I figured while it was fresh in my mind, I would share it with you.





The blob to the left of the pitot location is their place for the ADF loop. Probably need to research that a bit as well.

Redhand
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 11:25 AM UTC

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Brian,
I do like the idea of the removable roof. Should really let viewers get a completely different view of the cockpit.


Joel



Yes, I think I'll go that route. How many other builds will show the tunnel between the seats?
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 11:00 AM UTC
Brian,
I do like the idea of the removable roof. Should really let viewers get a completely different view of the cockpit.


Joel
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 09:15 AM UTC
Go for it Brian!

I am planning on doing the same with mine, maybe use some magnets to hold it.

Cheers Rob.
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 06:43 AM UTC
BACK AT IT - FIXING THE COCKPIT (AGAIN)

Hi guys. This brief update is just to assure you that I'm still working on it. I've done most of the re-scribing, first pass, but before I finish it I want to get the roof of the cockpit back on. Here's some of the work that I have done.



There is a large gap in the after part of the roof and the rest of the fuselage behind it. The sheet styrene is there literally to "fill the gaps."



This shows a much snugger fit against the back of the cockpit roof part.



And this shows the after part of the roof and the sheet styrene sanded down so that it is flush with the after fuselage.

Generally speaking, the fit is excellent. There is a tiny bit of filling that I may need to do on the horizontal bonding surfaces adjacent to the port & stbd. sides of the top turret, but all in all it looks quite good.

The appearance may have given me an epiphany of sorts. I'm toying with the idea of having the fit "engineered" so good and flush that it doesn't need to be glued. This will allow me to lift the roof with the top turret completely off the completed model so that the interior of the cockpit (and the turret) can be displayed. Still trying to figure out whether I want to go that route or not but I am definitely considering it. What do you think?

I know this isn't much of an update, but stay tuned.
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Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2018 - 01:07 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
Brian's a "Jersey Boy" and for some reason never seem to get the worst of these storms as LI takes the brunt for them.

Many years ago hurricane Gloria hit us hard in Sept, and we had a 40 ft tree on our front lawn. Well, I procrastinated in having it cut down as it was Termite invested, so Gloria took it down free of charge. It went right through the garage taking a good section of that roof as well.

13 years ago our house burnt down, so we lost literally everything except the cloths on our backs,luckily my fishing gear is kept in the garage and survived, but nothing else did. We lived in a 40 ft trailer on our front lawn for almost a year so that our son could go to his school. Like you, we upgraded just about everything, so the new house is so much better then the old house. But that year was a killer for sure.

Joel



Joel sorry for my days long silence... your share of bad happenings took me a little by surprise and switched me on "mute"

There's a said going around here: "Bad things happen to good people" and very rarely applies better than for you

As for myself, I chose to paraphrase Nietzsche: "Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"

I'm fully sympathetic and empathetic towards your past hardship. I'm glad you get over it and you're again engaged in the modelling community as one of the stalwarts.

Gabriel
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 07:59 AM UTC

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Gabriel,
I really feel for you with the destruction caused by the hurricane. Hopefully, that was the worst of the damage in your home. Living on LI which sticks out into the Atlantic, we do get our share of them over the years.



Thank, Joel! Last hurricane season was really mad. I had my share of damage, but that was nothing in comparison with my neighbors. My immediate neighborhood was bulldozed. A cluster of three houses still stood at the end - one of the three is mine. But now it's for the past and bitter memories - I fixed everything back and I took the opportunity to upgrade.


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I really admire you for even coming up with a restoration plan to repair and finish your B-17. Most modelers, including me would have tossed it into the recycle bin and moved on, especially if the person who commissioned the build just walked way from it.


I'm one of the lucky modelers that build for the pure pleasure of it. After I finish a model and took the last pictures, I can dispose with it without much drama (exceptions allowed). I even intend to give away my completed models to my yt crowd if they pay for shipping. I had some 6 models damaged by Irma, of which the most important for me was a 1/350 Bismarck. I trashed them without flinching, but I couldn't part ways with Chow Hound just because isn't completed. Strange, huh?

I appreciate your warm feelings, and I am pretty sure you understand best for living in Long Island...

I guess you and Brian will 'trick' me into restarting that project after all.


Gabriel



Gabriel,
Brian's a "Jersey Boy" and for some reason never seem to get the worst of these storms as LI takes the brunt for them.

Many years ago hurricane Gloria hit us hard in Sept, and we had a 40 ft tree on our front lawn. Well, I procrastinated in having it cut down as it was Termite invested, so Gloria took it down free of charge. It went right through the garage taking a good section of that roof as well.

13 years ago our house burnt down, so we lost literally everything except the cloths on our backs,luckily my fishing gear is kept in the garage and survived, but nothing else did. We lived in a 40 ft trailer on our front lawn for almost a year so that our son could go to his school. Like you, we upgraded just about everything, so the new house is so much better then the old house. But that year was a killer for sure.

Joel

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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2018 - 01:01 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
I really feel for you with the destruction caused by the hurricane. Hopefully, that was the worst of the damage in your home. Living on LI which sticks out into the Atlantic, we do get our share of them over the years.



Thank, Joel! Last hurricane season was really mad. I had my share of damage, but that was nothing in comparison with my neighbors. My immediate neighborhood was bulldozed. A cluster of three houses still stood at the end - one of the three is mine. But now it's for the past and bitter memories - I fixed everything back and I took the opportunity to upgrade.


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I really admire you for even coming up with a restoration plan to repair and finish your B-17. Most modelers, including me would have tossed it into the recycle bin and moved on, especially if the person who commissioned the build just walked way from it.


I'm one of the lucky modelers that build for the pure pleasure of it. After I finish a model and took the last pictures, I can dispose with it without much drama (exceptions allowed). I even intend to give away my completed models to my yt crowd if they pay for shipping. I had some 6 models damaged by Irma, of which the most important for me was a 1/350 Bismarck. I trashed them without flinching, but I couldn't part ways with Chow Hound just because isn't completed. Strange, huh?

I appreciate your warm feelings, and I am pretty sure you understand best for living in Long Island...

I guess you and Brian will 'trick' me into restarting that project after all.


Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:41 AM UTC

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Well, well, Brian: the story is complicated. The reason I stopped in the first place it was because I lost contact with the commissioner and I lost my drive with it too.
I intended at some point to donate it to the Chow Hound association in US... but it was obvious I lost the tide and I fundered with this project... Then Irma... now I am engaged on multiple modeling fronts with a building schedule stretching until September or so... I just don't know yet - maybe one day I go ballistic, shake the dust on it and keep going...

Thanks!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
I really feel for you with the destruction caused by the hurricane. Hopefully, that was the worst of the damage in your home. Living on LI which sticks out into the Atlantic, we do get our share of them over the years.

I really admire you for even coming up with a restoration plan to repair and finish your B-17. Most modelers, including me would have tossed it into the recycle bin and moved on, especially if the person who commissioned the build just walked way from it.

Joel
Szmann
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 12:47 PM UTC
Well, well, Brian: the story is complicated. The reason I stopped in the first place it was because I lost contact with the commissioner and I lost my drive with it too.
I intended at some point to donate it to the Chow Hound association in US... but it was obvious I lost the tide and I fundered with this project... Then Irma... now I am engaged on multiple modeling fronts with a building schedule stretching until September or so... I just don't know yet - maybe one day I go ballistic, shake the dust on it and keep going.

I have a restoration plan though:
Before anything else, scrub with wet scrubbing pad the salt / dust deposit and such, and then:
1. Split it completely in halves - fortunately the glue gave way (bad Testors glue) and there is no damage to the fuselage proper.
2. The tail wheel bulkhead is collapsed and needs re-arranging; same goes for the bomb bay: by the rattling sound inside I guess a bomb went loose
3. The putty (lots of it) around the rear gunner canopy is gone and needs to be scraped / redone.
4. Remove all windows (providentially I glued them with white glue), clean, reinstall.
5. Close the fuselage again and deal with joining line (needless to say, damage to the paint down to bare plastic)
6. Respray OD and gray (the initial ones were custom mixed and I'm not sure I can match the shade again - I even changed the brand I use meanwhile).
7. Maybe I can save the decals by masking; if not I can buy a new set.
8. Donate it to Chow Hound society.

Fortunately all the exterior details (MGs, nose window, ball turret, propellers) were safely stored in their box with my stash and nothing is lost.
The bad thing is I have to go all the way down to the stage before joining the fuselage and virtually only the inside painting can be preserved as is.
The good thing is that now I am much better equipped than I was then and perhaps my painting task easier (provided I can restore the surface to an acceptable level).

My main problem is the lack of motivation and busy schedule (now even busier after I launched my YT channel as well).

There is no question: if I decide to continue the build, even if I need to change decals and so the aircraft name, the build will be blogged as a continuation of the original one.

And perhaps the best thing in this business is that you decided to go back to Luscious Lady and really shaked up my inertia. And I would like to thank you very much for that.

Thanks!
Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 11:13 AM UTC
Gabriel,

That's some really mind-blowing damage. It does look like it's been through a hurricane!

How are you even going to begin? (1) Testing an area of wing to see if the salt-in-acrylic can be corrected or stripped? (2) Then gluing the fuselage back together?

No wonder it's been sitting there for a while. Good luck and revive your build blog when you start, please.

Brian



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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 07:12 AM UTC

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Brian,
I've already said this before, but it's sure nice to see the LL back on the bench, and you working on it.

Your re-scribing looks tremendous, both in quantity and quality. Some goofs, but easy enough to fix. One thing I've learned that has helped me with the little bit of re-scribing I force myself to do, is that once I've knocked down the raised lips and cleaned the recessed lines with water shot from my AB, I give all the lines a coat of Tamiya Extra Thin, then polish. Makes a huge difference as the panel lines loose that cut look.

Nice save on the glass. I've removed Future with Windex on a Qtip without any issues.


Joel



Really nice to "be back," Joel.

I will include a pic of the "Trumpeter" scribing tool I'm using. My NC friend recommended it and he claims it does not create "raised lips," unlike a #11 blade.

More tonight, I hope.

Brian



Brian,
I've got the UMM-USA one and the Tamiya one I only use for flying surface demarcations. I've never used the Trumpeter one, so I'm looking forward to your assessment.
Joel
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 06:46 AM UTC

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Brian,
I've already said this before, but it's sure nice to see the LL back on the bench, and you working on it.

Your re-scribing looks tremendous, both in quantity and quality. Some goofs, but easy enough to fix. One thing I've learned that has helped me with the little bit of re-scribing I force myself to do, is that once I've knocked down the raised lips and cleaned the recessed lines with water shot from my AB, I give all the lines a coat of Tamiya Extra Thin, then polish. Makes a huge difference as the panel lines loose that cut look.

Nice save on the glass. I've removed Future with Windex on a Qtip without any issues.


Joel



Really nice to "be back," Joel.

I will include a pic of the "Trumpeter" scribing tool I'm using. My NC friend recommended it and he claims it does not create "raised lips," unlike a #11 blade.

More tonight, I hope.

Brian
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 02:59 AM UTC
Brian,
I've already said this before, but it's sure nice to see the LL back on the bench, and you working on it.

Your re-scribing looks tremendous, both in quantity and quality. Some goofs, but easy enough to fix. One thing I've learned that has helped me with the little bit of re-scribing I force myself to do, is that once I've knocked down the raised lips and cleaned the recessed lines with water shot from my AB, I give all the lines a coat of Tamiya Extra Thin, then polish. Makes a huge difference as the panel lines loose that cut look.

Nice save on the glass. I've removed Future with Windex on a Qtip without any issues.


Joel
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Posted: Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 03:37 PM UTC
Hi again, Bryan!

Well, Irma The Hurricane (probably you are familiar from the news that it was the strongest ever hurricane registered, exceptionally categorized at 5+) blew thru my living room after breaking a window and forced open the other from inside, on the opposite side of the room. Normally I store my models to be kept in boxes in my bedroom, but because its size, Chow Hound got a place under the above mentioned window... Well, it flew for real for once across the room and crash-landed on the opposite side.
You can evaluate the damage for yourself:





I know, it looks like regular dust but is not. It is full of salt pulverized a crazy speed in wet air. Here you can see better:


Minuscule grains of salt are literally embedded in the soft acrylic top coat...

Now let's move to your build.
I agree with you that re-scribing all the panels lines is not a must (arguably, of course). When I do rivering on my model planes, I'm not going crazy with all the lines, but with the main lines. As Verlinden once put it: it doesn't need to be right, it does need to look right. And your scribing looks about right; corrections needed, but right.

The windows: for many years I was shying away of even touching the clear parts other than installing them, until I run into a problem without escape: the windows of this truck. As you can see: warped surfaces, dubious clarity, seam line around and plenty scratches...


I had to bite the bullet and sanded progressively from grit 600 to grit 2000:


Novus #2 at work:


A dip into Pledge. They are so clear now that they're almost shadowless


As said on my previous post: I'm almightly glad you came back with this build because you really motivated me into not giving up in my Chow Hound!


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"What a fool you are. He got one built and you are still mired in your madness."


Don't be so harsh on yourself! We entered this build at complete different levels. While I didn't managed (yet) to finish it OOB, you basically rebuilt it rivet by rivet!

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 02:10 PM UTC
D'oh, I said I was back, and meant it. The below pictures aren't meant to "show my stuff" so much as to document that work is, in fact, continuing.

I'm almost done with the "first cut" (pun intended) at rescribing the obliterated panel lines. The plan is to use light coats of primer to see where the flaws really stand out and to try to fix those with thickened primer and gentle rescribing.

I am NOT going to rescribe the whole thing. I'm OK with raised panel lines and countersunk corrections. I don't feel one can really tell. Rescribing the whole airframe is too OCD, even for me.

My attitude towards modeling detail generally has also undergone an evolution during this interminable build. I'll talk about that as I go along. These days I feel it's "OK" not to detail "to the nines" and in-passing I'll post some of the "degenerate sh*t" mods I've on various, commercial diecast models I've purchased during this hiatus.

Consider them comic relief.

I mentioned before I was really unhappy with one aspect of the completed exterior, and I'll show you what happened and how I'm going to fix it. Those who have followed this blog from the get-go already know the area I refer to, I think.

Here it is.



You will recall all the time and care my NC friend put into the cockpit glass and the open windows. Well, I just had to clean it up by removing some of the Future that I felt distorted the view inside.

I followed his recommendation and used warm water on a Q-tip to scrub the windshields, but wasn't getting it clear and translucent. So, for some idiotic reason I tried rubbing with a Q-tip dipped in rubbing alcohol.

I succeeded in fogging up the clear parts and, as you can see, messed it up. I was desperate enough to think that maybe the problem was on the INSIDE of the glass, so stuck the Q-tip through the open windows and made it even worse there.

Sooooooooooooo

Here's the fix. Yeah, parts I got from a kit on the cheap off of e-Bay.



It's not glued on, but the fit is good and I think it will be fine. The lesson for me: "Less is more" sometimes.

Do note the rescribing forward of the windshield. Not perfect but getting there.

And here is the bottom of the nose.



Again, it's a first cut.

Here is the aft bottom fuselage.



This is better IMO.

Finally for tonight, the stbd. radio room area, not yet finished, but it's a start.

Redhand
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Posted: Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 01:28 PM UTC

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(My Chow Hound is in a very deplorable state after Hurricane Irma passing).

Gabriel



Whoa, Gabriel. What happened?! You were almost done and the build looked fantastic, especially with that under-wing national insignia. More than once I said to myself, "What a fool you are. He got one built and you are still mired in your madness."

What happened, I ask again?
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2018 - 06:21 AM UTC
Good news.
I was wondering what happened...
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Posted: Friday, June 01, 2018 - 02:03 AM UTC

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Glad to see you have returned!!!!



Karl,
Glad to see you on the forums as well.
Joel
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2018 - 11:07 AM UTC
Glad to see you have returned!!!!