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Posted: Friday, December 25, 2015 - 11:41 PM UTC
Hi Karl,
good question about the SGL. you are right about the cable. It is fixed on the mount and connects the front and end rubber caps. Basically, the 76 mm Wegmann SGL consists of the tub with the cabs and a mount that varies from vehicle to vehicle, I mean the Leo 2 has other mounts that Fennek. I looks that I have to ask more questions when I see a Fennek in 2016.
Maybe this link will give some clarification:
http://www.kmweg.com/home/armament-systems/grenade-launcher-system/76-mm-wegmann-protection-system/product-information.html

Cheers
H.-H.
Karl187
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Posted: Friday, December 25, 2015 - 10:38 PM UTC
Jerry- Yeah as you say they do look like wires- I was thinking maybe they have now switched from wires to chains. I'm sure Hans-Hermann will set us straight!

Update:

So in my last update I introduced you to two of the three figures. The third and final figure was taken from Trumpeter's Bundeswehr set. This set has its pros and cons- the pros are the fact that you get several very nicely detailed G36K's (much nicer than the Blackdog G36- I will try and get a comparison photo) with folding stocks, an option of smoked or solid magazines, the parts for an LMG variant, and an MP7 with several fittings for its attachment rails. You also get four figures, a choice of helmets, boonie hats, camelbacks, side arms and various attachments for the MOLLE style vests and some attachments for the older issue vests in the Flecktarn color. You get decals as well for Flecktarn and Steppentarn camouflage.

The cons of the set are that the detail on the figures is very bad in some places- originally I wanted to use the figure standing with the MP7 but his arms just seemed to bear no relation to the torso- it was like the moulding detail was just forgotten. That said, the heads are not bad and include glasses. But they aren't even as good as the Blackdog resin heads. Some of the equipment is also way out of size and lacks sharpness- the personal radio packs for instance. The boonie hats also are not great- lacking some of the shape- they look too floppy and one has the strap tied up around the outer side rims but placed on a figures head it looked like a cowboy hat. The Steppentarn camo also seems way too dark not the decal sheet and is very different from the Crossdelta sheet which seems much more accurate in terms of shape and shade. (I will try and get a comparison shot of the decal sheets).

That being said- the figure I used who is kneeling and holding his weapon was quite good- apart from the right hand which was missing its fingers- but I managed to hide it behind the left.





You can see some of the fit problem areas in the figure- the arms, hands and you can see the gap between the vest and the backpack. I plan to use some dissolved putty to fill the gaps around the pack (there are gaps on the bottom edge too).

Now I'm sure most of you will have had your fill of turkey over the last couple of days but I've got another one coming up for you- namely the UAV in the Blackdog set.

The ALADIN UAV included in the Blackdog kit with the two Bundeswehr figures is often used by teams operating the Fennek for recon. Its a fairly simple drone with no landing gear, a small two prop on the nose, sensors on the forward body, a long wing in the middle and a small rear wing connected by a shaft to the body. Here are some excellent references from Hans-Hermann.









So as you can see it is a fairly simple and quite elegant design- so this puzzles me as to how Blackdog can manage to get it so wrong in resin. For me, looking at this, it should have about seven parts- the props, the main body, the main wing (perhaps moulded straight and with instructions as to where to bend it to get the outer edges flared up), the centre shaft and the rear wing in two parts. Instead of that fairly simple layout Blackdog made the centre wing in three parts- a middle and two sides with no proper positive/negative attachment points- and the rear wing in three or possibly five parts. Why 'possibly'? Well studying the photographs of the real thing I realized there are some parts in the kit that don't seem to be needed- they are shaped as if they attach to the rear upright wing but in the real thing this is a simple design sitting on the rear of the shaft.

I did try and do it Blackdogs way but the main wing simply wouldn't go together no matter what I tried to brace/support it with. Then the central shaft kindly snapped in half as I worked on the wing. Luckily I had been planning for construction to go sideways.

I regrouped and planned out my re-working of the kit. This started by using pieces of an etch fret to support each wing.





Then I replaced the central shaft with some brass rod, sanded flat at one end to accept the upright rear wing.



I then had to cover up the etch fret pieces on the underside. Luckily Blackdog had cast the wings very thin- too thin I reckon. So to both cover the fret pieces and give the wing a bit more thickness (and to make it even more sturdy) I smothered some putty on it in a thin layer.



I still have some work to do on the UAV- but I'm going to prime it first so I can see some of the problem areas better.

In my next update I'll return to the figure with the wonky elbow that Jerry pointed out and I'll have some shots of the painting stages on the Fennek itself.

As always, thanks so much for reading and taking the time to check out the thread. All comments are very welcome. Hope you are all are having a nice Christmas holiday!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 07:35 PM UTC
Looks like there are rubber caps on the top and the bottom of the tubes? Maybe Hans is confusing the electrical wires with the cap retaining wires? Or,a breakdown in communication?
Looks like you are spot on in your interpretation to me.
J
Karl187
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 04:56 PM UTC
Simon- Thanks for checking out the thread. You mentioned 'Academy' decals- I'm just wondering did you mean the Trumpeter ones? If so I already got a heads up from a friend that the decals in the Trumpeter Bundeswehr kit are terrible- I wasn't planning to use them anyway because, as you noticed, I have the Crossdelta ones. I'll be doing an update about them soon.

Jason- I'm very glad your enjoying the build. I too read about the recent deaths of US Servicemen in Afghanistan- a truly awful tragedy- my thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones also.

Jerry- It means a lot to me to have you look in on proceedings here. Plus you usually spot things I have overlooked and you are right on the money here. I went and took a look at the figure and that arm did look out of proportion- in fact the area I had re-sculpted was much too thick compared to the original resin bits, not to mention the elbow was not correct as you said. I've went back over it and sanded it down in several places to bring it more in line in terms of shape and thickness. I'll get some new pictures of it up soon. Thanks so much for offering your advice on it!

Hans-Hermann- As always thanks for keeping up with me on this thread. Your references and knowledge on this has proven invaluable. However, I'm a bit confused here- hopefully you can help me solve this conundrum.
If you take a look at these references (which are yours from Prime Portal actually!!) you can see a wire running from the back of the SGL's to the front.





Now I know some SGL's caps are secured with small chains but that appears to be a braided cable of some sort- which is what I was attempting to replicate with the pieces of sprue. I'm just wondering if maybe there is a chain underneath the SGL's that can't be seen here and maybe that is what you are referring to?

David- Thanks so much for the compliments. I'll have an update soon of some more progress on the figures and UAV and the painting on the Fennek itself.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 08:38 PM UTC
Impressive work. Glad you cleared your modelers block. Anxious to see the finished product.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 08:04 PM UTC
Hi Karl,
take note that the chains on the SGL are mounted under the launch tube not above.
Cheers and Merry Christmas
Hans-Hermann
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 07:18 PM UTC
Happy to see that you returned to this one as it was really shaping up nicely. That was an awesome solution to the smoke grenade wires,BTW.
The figs are progressing very well. I think this is actually the first build log I have seen using Black Dog figures. Could be wrong of course.
I notice the standing shooting guy you modified has maybe a bit too much length on his left upper arm? If you follow his forearm down on a straight line the elbow sticks out. Maybe a bit of a sand back? A minor thing but I know what a good eye you have and this may drive you nuts if you notice it after painting?
J
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 06:57 AM UTC
I enjoy ISAF as a modeling subject since the beginning and am enjoying this but it has even a more special meaning after the attack and deaths of the American service members just the other day in Afghanistan days before Christmas.My thoughts and prayers does go out to them.
ComaBlack
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 06:01 AM UTC
I noticed that you had CrossDelta decals for this project. If you still intend to use the uniform decals, skip the Academy ones and go straight to CrossDelta.
Karl187
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 10:49 PM UTC


Damn its been a while since I updated this!

Ever get a really bad case of modelers block? Yeah thats what I got around the last time I updated this. Looking back on it I think it came about for several reasons. Just prior to starting this build I'd kind of binged on US Army 1/72 helicopters and built and painted seven in rapid succession. Then I noticed my relatively new Iwata Neo had a bent needle and was going to need a new one. On top of that I'd noticed that the Bundeswehr figures I was planning to use on this build would need a decent bit of modification- not to mention the Aladin UAV (more on these later). Not insurmountable problems, just annoying and coupled with the fact I was quite busy in general and that in the first place I had started this build to get away from a rather protracted build requiring a good bit of scratch building and modification.

So this build went on hiatus until about last week- I was still checking out Armorama as I reckon, even when you've got modelers block, its good to see the great things others are up to and you also hope one of the fine builds here might give you the kick up the ass you need to get back to the bench.

But enough of that. I'd like to say a thank you to Hans-Hermann who, despite me not making any progress in this build, continued to send me references on the Fennek and UAV that are proving extremely helpful as I pick this build up again. I'll be sharing the cool stuff he's sent me as I go along.

I left off the last time having just painted the inner side doors green and was going to brush paint the detail and then weather them, so here they are.



The last thing I wanted to tackle on the Fennek was the tie down wires or the smoke grenade launchers at the rear. I'd kind of given up of finding a flexible wire small enough for this- until I was creating chin loops for the boonie hats on two of my figures- I was using stretched and curled sprue shavings that come up in the grooves of my drill bit when I am drilling down into them.



Once you stretch (gently) and twist (again, gently) these they get quite small and become like small wires- coiled yes but they look better than nothing.





So that was the Fennek all sorted and ready to get some primer. I set that aside and began working on the Blackdog figures and Aladin UAV.

I find Blackdog an infuriating company sometimes- they make some great stuff but also some turkeys (CHRISTMAS REFERENCE!) as well. Unfortunately this release is a bit of a turkey. First of all it was easy to mix both figures up once the mould blocks were cut off- they are pretty much identical apart from a slightly more pronounced arch in the back of one. Then arm attachment points are terrible so it took me a while to work out which arms went to which torso when I did mix them up. (In the box art you see that the guy holding up the G36K has some knee pads- but there were none present on my example).

Happily the arms didn't want to bond with CA glue either. I tried cleaning, sanding and a LOT of swearing but only one of the little resin gits actually attached properly. The others I had to use Magic Sculpt on- I would have to have got this out anyway to clean up the shoulder areas where the arms attached.

The soldier launching the UAV was the easiest one to sort out.



The head supplied was terrible so I replaced it with a Hornet one and a helmet from the Trumpeter Bundeswehr set.



Setting that figure aside I went to tackle the guy holding the G36K- not a great pose to be honest and one I had great difficulty getting to work alongside a decent Hornet head that showed him aiming/looking down the sight. I had to cut the left arm in half, pin both halves at a new angle and re-sculpt the middle. He was also missing his side arm but luckily there are a few extra in the Trumpeter set so one went one of those. His boonie hat also came from the Trumpeter set.





So that will do for now. Next up I will talk about the third figure and the UAV.


As always, thanks so much for reading. I wish you all a Merry Christmas- hope you all enjoy the holiday season!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - 11:53 AM UTC
This is looking absolutely fantastic!!! Love the touch added by the magazines!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - 11:48 AM UTC
Hi Karl,
Bundeswehr.de just released thei video:
http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NYyxCoNAEET_6NYzBDGdIoFYpkm0Cau36IJ3J8uqTT4-Z5EZeM1jBnpIDbjzhMox4AJv6Ea-DYcZDkfGb4uyJ8dodnYUUcaZdzMTiRmIVZAm-uSZvcLrvEqTMQbSk0pBOXES1ChmjaLLaTaRZAw76DLb1LbI_rHfsm_vl6oo8-ZRP2H1vvoBf6BkKA!!/
of the ALADIN UAV in action. It has a lot of details that you might find helpful for your project.
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 01:15 PM UTC
Thank you Hans. I think I will add them on mine Fennek.
HermannB
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 11:28 AM UTC
Salut Alex,
since it`s the drivers place, the right lever is for the automatic transmission while the left lever is the parking brake.
HTH
Hans-Hermann
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 03:09 AM UTC

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Hey Karl, good progress. One note only. The Bundeswehr uses some kind of plastic water can, but not the Canadian scepter- made ones. You can either use regular Benzinkanister with white painted caps or commercial water bottles.
@Alex there is no control lever for the RWS. The KMW OWS 1530 use two cranks for side and elevation movement.



Ok, so what is the function of those two levers on this picture ?

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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 01:39 AM UTC
Hey Karl, good progress. One note only. The Bundeswehr uses some kind of plastic water can, but not the Canadian scepter- made ones. You can either use regular Benzinkanister with white painted caps or commercial water bottles.
@Alex there is no control lever for the RWS. The KMW OWS 1530 use two cranks for side and elevation movement.
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 01:37 AM UTC
Nice final interior weathering and stuff. I love the magazines. That is definitely a folding cot.
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Posted: Saturday, August 15, 2015 - 12:04 AM UTC
Very nice. I Like the paint job and accessories.

The control lever for the RWS has been forgotten in the kit, and another black lever on the left.

I must thanks Hans Hermann for his pics very usefull.

http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/hans-hermann_buhling/fennek/images/fennek_117_of_149.jpg
Karl187
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2015 - 09:50 PM UTC
Walter- thanks so much for checking the build out, much appreciated.

Before I closed up the interior I had a bit of weathering and some final little bits to add.

Here I have a water can, a folding stretcher (this might actually be a camp-style folding bed- its from the spares box- but it won't be easily seen once in place), a first aid kit case and some water bottles. The first aid kit and water can were not placed inside- but they will likely be placed outside near one of the doors on the groundwork.



The inside of the upper hull was then given a wash of dark grey.



Then the remainder of the pre-colored Eduard set was used to represent three screens which hang down on stations from the roof.



I then added the water bottles, stretcher and a copy of German newspaper Bild and motoring magazine Auto-Zeitung- they were just found at random on google and printed off.





Some Sand pigment powder from Ammo was then brushed into the footwells and around the lower parts of the seats.



Since taking these I've mated the hull halves and I'm painting the inside of the two side doors which will likely be left open along with the hatches. I'll get an update for that work done soon.

As always, thanks for reading.
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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2015 - 07:34 PM UTC
Phantastic build Karl!

Great information and excellent images makes following your bild very entertaining.

Keep on the good work.
Cheers
Walter
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2015 - 03:21 PM UTC
Jerry- I'm really glad you are enjoying this mate!

Hans-Hermann- Thanks for the info on the MG-3. Part of my reasoning for cutting the butt-stock off was having seen it done on other weapons used in remote weapons stations so I thought I'd do it and then see- if I was wrong I could always glue it back on. Glad to see I was on the right track. Thanks so much for those videos too- they are awesome- nice to see the Aladin being launched too! I'll be starting work on that soon.
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 11:06 PM UTC
From Bundeswehr YouTube Channel.
Fennek in training and in Afghanistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pNDWrqfGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrhdTvseOkI
H.-H.
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 10:49 PM UTC
Hi Karl,
you did right shaving off the MG3 buttstock. The MG3 attached in the 1530 weapons station usually don`t have a buttstock.
Good job on the kit so far.
Cheers
Hans-Hermann
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 10:20 PM UTC
Nice work Karl. I am really enjoying this.
J
Karl187
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 09:41 PM UTC
Before I put up some pics of the weapons stations and the sensor array I will post another picture of the upper hull with its green coat of paint.



The sensor array is a particularly nice area of the kit- its made up of quite a few parts and can be positioned in three ways- one is with the hatch opening all closed (meaning you don't need to actually build the sensor) or it can be mounted partially deployed where just the top comes up out of the hatch or fully deployed where it is depicted raised out of its hatch. I opted to depict it fully deployed.





Next up was the hatch including the weapons mount- the choices in the box are either a grenade launcher or Machine gun- I went for the Machine Gun. Unfortunately this area of the kit didn't seem to go together as well as other parts- I found a lot of the moulded mounting holes didn't fit the mounts on the parts to be glued in- the periscopes and the weapons mount frame where the biggest problems- the mounting points were cut off and sanded down on these parts and they were glued over the areas they were supposed to be.







The fitment problems could, of course, just be me being careless!

The weapons searchlight was a better fit and the ammunition can went together well too and the fit seemed to be good for it- I decided to go with the Eduard etch set's ammo can though, as it was much more detailed than the plastic item.



I then encountered another problem when fitting the MG-3. The frame it mounts on didn't seem to correspond to the mount attached to the hatch ring- so I had to shave some areas down to get it to fit right. Then when I mounted the actual gun I noticed another problem.





As you can see the butt stops the hatch opening- I'm stumped by this bit to be honest. I followed the instructions, despite them being a little vague in this area.



I only noticed this problem after the glue on the MG-3 had dried and trying to get it off again would only snap it- I'm not sure exactly where its supposed to be positioned because what I've done matches the position of the gun in the instructions and also matches up where the opening in the weapons mount allows the ammunition to be fed into the gun. Putting the MG-3 further forward on the mount would mean the feed tray is totally obstructed by part of the mount.

A bit of a head scratcher this one- at the minute I've cut off the butt stock and laid it aside so I can open and close the hatch. I haven't yet went to look for references of the real thing but I'm hoping they will shed some light on this area.

I'm also still working away on the upper hull painting and will get an update done for that soon.

Thanks for reading.