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World War II: Soviet Union
Russian aircraft of WWII
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 11:28 PM UTC

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Hi Doug

I'm loving this build!

A couple of points I'd make (no - don't worry - it's NOT blue uniforms! ) - it's all cable-related:

The Bf 109's aerial. The part that's still attached to the mast looks very stiff and unrealistic; without the tension at the other end, it would just drop loose over the fuselage. I used lead wire on Eduard's Fw 190D-9 - the thinnest I could find was till a tad heavy, but it mimicked the slack droop reasonably convincingly.

Similarly, you need to add a little damage on the fin to show where its attachment's been shorn off.

The last cable is very different; it looks like you need to add the canopy restrainer - without it, it would fall down against the side of the fuselage (and possible rip out its hinges?).

Minor points in a stunning build. I'd love to see this full-sized - although whether the '109's notoriously weak undercarriage would stand more than a few hundred yards down a rough dirt road could be amusing - until the Party Commissars arrived asking questions...

All the best

Rowan



OK Rowan I think I have addressed all of your concerns, made the aerial droop almost straight down, installed the canopy bungee so it won't fall down, and made the tail spike with a hole where the aerial was attached, as far as the landing gear giving way I have always had a plan to tie the two gear together with rope to stop the problem of them collapsing so this will be done soon. Now as far as the entire idea goes, well what can you do when a bunch of soldiers have a great idea and a truck, and perhaps a little Vodka there was at least one 109 captured and kept in a museum in Russia so this is not that far from reality, and I have seen aircraft recovered in this manner.

Thanks for your suggestions Rowan.
all the best
Doug



Hi Doug

That sounds great - and many thanks taking the suggestions on board. I imagine most aircraft were recovered by being dismantled and loaded onto a flat-bed to cross rough terrain, but adding the rope around the undercarriage sounds a brilliant idea, because it shows you've really thought through the scenario. It's all to easy to just dot figures around for a sense of scale, but you tie everything together to focus the viewer's attention and tell a story.

On that note - don't forget items like the pilot's parachute and any personal items - e.g. one of the Soviet soldiers could have "relieved him" of the firearm that many carried, and they might be sharing out a trophy addition of Scho-Ka-Kola or cigarettes to their rations.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 03:19 AM UTC
time for some guys on the plane



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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 07:00 AM UTC
on the plane
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 12:36 AM UTC
Doug,
Those two figures really look quite good.
Joel
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 11:13 AM UTC
Doug, you have built another very cool diorama. I have been following along but missed to post yet.

u/c: I would not worry abou that. The 109 was transported the same way by the Germans so there is no problem in doing it this way!

The "tale" of weak u/c stems from the attachment to the fuselage and thus the narrow stance plus a high performance (high torque!) engine ... this means it can break out during take off if the pilot does not know what he is doing.

The 2nd point is hard landings. Thes will make it collapse, it is obvious why... BTW JG 300 (Wilde Sau, i.e. unguided nightfighters) pilots liked this cicumstance and preferred the 109 over the Fw 190 ... man, did I digress.. sorry for that.

Back to your diorama. I like the composition! I want to add a comment, but please do not take it as critique: have you ever tried standing on the bed of a truck when it is moving on a rough road Probably the Russians did not tell the pilot for a reason...

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 05:58 PM UTC
Thanks Steffen
You are right of course but vodka and celebration will make you do lots of things that are hard and maybe not a good idea. sometimes you just gotta cut loose I guess and in my mind the truck is being driven very slow. Just wait till you see the rest of the soldiers on the plane, cause they are not being too careful either.
Glad your liking it
Doug
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2016 - 12:28 AM UTC
next guy

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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 12:40 AM UTC
fantastic all around!
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 05:56 AM UTC
another
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 03:17 AM UTC
needed one guy on the ground so here he is

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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 03:32 AM UTC
Doug,
Looking real good. Can't wait for a few final overall pics.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 - 02:32 AM UTC
getting closer to all that I think it needs with one more guy after this I feel it will be good
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2016 - 03:46 AM UTC
last guy on the plane
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2016 - 03:50 AM UTC
overall shot of the diorama so far




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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2016 - 12:50 AM UTC
I figured it needed some color so did a flag for the truck.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 - 06:34 PM UTC
Excellent build and story telling! Looks like something that Armorama's own Jerry Rutman would do with all those figures!

And the red flag really set it off. Great addition and thinking! Glad I found this!

Cheers!