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My P-51B Build.
STLDALE
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 07:52 AM GMT+7
So I finished off my p-51 today.
I wont post pics as I dont know how and it didnt turn out so good.
Thanks for all the advise.
I am moving on to German AFV kits but will surely be back to build a P-40 Flying Tiger kit in the future.
STLDALE
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 10:17 AM GMT+7

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For spray cans Testors and Tamiya both make a good product. I have use both in the past with good results.



Ok. Are they laquer or enamal?
Thanks.
TotemWolf
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 09:50 AM GMT+7
For spray cans Testors and Tamiya both make a good product. I have use both in the past with good results.
STLDALE
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 09:40 AM GMT+7
I think I am going to go with the Flory wash.
It seems to be very easy to use.
So since I am using VMA I need to spray a gloss coat before using the wash?
What kind of top coat should I use?
I would prefer something in a spray can.
Thanks.
drabslab
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 07:30 PM GMT+7
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Vallejo; I just can't understand why some people like this stuff. I tried it several times and the result was poor each time.

The primer does not even seem to permit to correct some surface errors after priming, it just peels of.

Priming, airbrushing... it is already difficult enough without choosing a primer or paint that punishes every mistake you make.

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Vallejo is great for both airbrushing and particularly brush painting. The low toxicity of its thinner and cleanup products is a plus.
However the acrylic primers (not just Vallejo) are next to useless if you're iteratively filling/sanding and priming, and I don't think this is the intent for this type of product anyway.
If you're priming for aircraft (or armour?) you need a good lacquer based primer like Mr.Surfacer or Tamiya's surface primer, then you can go with whatever you like for your top and finishing coats.

my 2c.

edit: grammar[/quote]

That confirms my experience and as I always end up doing small touch ups after priming (which usually makes every surface error very visible) vallejo is indeed nextto useless. Long live Ta&miya
STLDALE
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 10:57 AM GMT+7
Are there any pre made oil washes?
STLDALE
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 10:47 AM GMT+7

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You can make a wash out of just about any pigment properly thinned. Having said that, the standard approach is oil. So head to somewhere that sells art supplies in some capacity and pick up a tube of raw umber (or black or dark grey but raw umber seems most versatile) oil paint and a bottle of white spirit. It is normal for these 2 items to sum to about 20 or 30 dollars so don't be alarmed.

Oil is especially attractive when using acrylics like Vallejo because, as mentioned earlier, no need to seal before application.



It sounds great its just that I am scared I will mess it up and ruin my model.
raypalmer
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 10:34 AM GMT+7
You can make a wash out of just about any pigment properly thinned. Having said that, the standard approach is oil. So head to somewhere that sells art supplies in some capacity and pick up a tube of raw umber (or black or dark grey but raw umber seems most versatile) oil paint and a bottle of white spirit. It is normal for these 2 items to sum to about 20 or 30 dollars so don't be alarmed.

Oil is especially attractive when using acrylics like Vallejo because, as mentioned earlier, no need to seal before application.
STLDALE
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 09:49 AM GMT+7

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Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.


You don't need to use an oil wash. It's just that it is not best to use an acrylic wash or panel liner over acrylic paint without sealing it first.
That is why I was wondering what you were planning on doing.
If you are planning to use an acrylic like say Tamiya Panel liner, then yes seal the paint first.

By the way their are many good tutorials on washes of all types on YouTube.



Well I dont have any wash right now so I am open to trying any kind.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 09:37 AM GMT+7

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Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.



Vallejo; I just can't understand why some people like this stuff. I tried it several times and the result was poor each time.

The primer does not even seem to permit to correct some surface errors after priming, it just peels of.

Priming, airbrushing... it is already difficult enough without choosing a primer or paint that punishes every mistake you make.




Vallejo is great for both airbrushing and particularly brush painting. The low toxicity of its thinner and cleanup products is a plus.
However the acrylic primers (not just Vallejo) are next to useless if you're iteratively filling/sanding and priming, and I don't think this is the intent for this type of product anyway.
If you're priming for aircraft (or armour?) you need a good lacquer based primer like Mr.Surfacer or Tamiya's surface primer, then you can go with whatever you like for your top and finishing coats.

my 2c.

edit: grammar
TotemWolf
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 09:21 AM GMT+7

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Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.


You don't need to use an oil wash. It's just that it is not best to use an acrylic wash or panel liner over acrylic paint without sealing it first.
That is why I was wondering what you were planning on doing.
If you are planning to use an acrylic like say Tamiya Panel liner, then yes seal the paint first.

By the way their are many good tutorials on washes of all types on YouTube.
TotemWolf
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 09:17 AM GMT+7

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Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.



Vallejo; I just can't understand why some people like this stuff. I tried it several times and the result was poor each time.

The primer does not even seem to permit to correct some surface errors after priming, it just peels of.

Priming, airbrushing... it is already difficult enough without choosing a primer or paint that punishes every mistake you make.


I've tried lacquers and acrylics of all kinds. I use to swear by Tamiya. Once learned how to use Vallejo and their primer I never went back.
BTW their primer is a primer not a surfacer. You would never use Maskol for a surfacer but it's one heck of masking fluid. So, why would you use a primer as a surfacer and then complain about it?
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 08:56 AM GMT+7

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Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.



Vallejo; I just can't understand why some people like this stuff. I tried it several times and the result was poor each time.

The primer does not even seem to permit to correct some surface errors after priming, it just peels of.

Priming, airbrushing... it is already difficult enough without choosing a primer or paint that punishes every mistake you make.

STLDALE
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 07:37 AM GMT+7
Yes I will be using Vallejo Model Air.
What is needed for an oil wash?
How do I make one?
Thanks.
TotemWolf
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Posted: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 02:49 AM GMT+7
Depending on what kind of paint you use and what kind of wash, could skip the gloss coat.
I use acrylics, Vallejo to be precise, and do an oil wash right over it for my cockpits. It leaves everything good and matte.

... but you do have the order right.
STLDALE
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Posted: Monday, September 25, 2017 - 11:28 AM GMT+7
Ok folks.
Should I assemble the cockpit and spray the entire assembly in Interior Green and then gloss coat and after that use a wash to bring out the details?
I am also going to use the instrument panel decal.
Thanks.
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 11:06 AM GMT+7

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I have a can of Tamiya fine white primer to use
So I should prime,paint,gloss finish.and then decals right?



If you use flat paints then you need clear gloss coat before decals .
STLDALE
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 10:05 AM GMT+7
I have a can of Tamiya fine white primer to use
So I should prime,paint,gloss finish.and then decals right?
TotemWolf
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 06:48 AM GMT+7
Vallejo primer works great as a primer for painting on, but not, as mentioned, a surfacer. Finish the surface before using it. I use their putty and a some sanding sticks and don't ever prime until the plastic is ready for the first coat.
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 05:35 AM GMT+7
Dale - I note from your other thread that you may be using Vallejo Model Air. You may be aware of this but in the event that you aren't , the Model Air Line is already thinned for air brushing-some colors and/or techniques may require further thinning . They offer duplicate colors in a heavier viscosity
( Model Color perhaps ?) for brushing. If you are going to prime your models I strongly advise AGAINST Vallejo primers - they have minimal adhesion and are impossible to sand. I recommend Stynylrez by Badger - just as easy to use and clean up after and an infinitely better product. Hope to see some pics as you progress. -Richard
TotemWolf
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 01:27 AM GMT+7
Here's a good tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axgf8NNRh7M
TotemWolf
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Posted: Friday, September 22, 2017 - 01:25 AM GMT+7

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Thanks everyone.
Life has gotten in the way again and I wont be able to start my build until Saturday. I hope so anyway.
I want to use the instrument panel decal on this build.
I bought the Micro Sol and Micro Set to do decals with.
Any tips on how to properly use them?
Thanks.


Be careful with the Micro Sol. It great stuff and will make your decals look painted on if used right. It also will make them very soft, so don't apply it until the decal is set in place and then go easy at first. You can always come back and add more as need even days later. Too much too quick WILL tear up the decal.

Micro Set goes down first, then the decal, and then as needed a little Micro Sol. Repeat the Micro Sol a bit at a time till you get the look you want.


STLDALE
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Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:48 AM GMT+7
Thanks everyone.
Life has gotten in the way again and I wont be able to start my build until Saturday. I hope so anyway.
I want to use the instrument panel decal on this build.
I bought the Micro Sol and Micro Set to do decals with.
Any tips on how to properly use them?
Thanks.
rdt1953
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Posted: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 11:20 AM GMT+7
Dale - I'll be watching this with great enthusiasm - always nice to share interests with people who are just discovering. Grow and learn and increase your skills and accuracy but never let any of these get in the way of enjoyment. We are all glad to help as we can along the way .

HAPPY Modeling ! Richard
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Posted: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 06:21 AM GMT+7

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And dont forget painting as additional step , often before assembly. Instruction sheets often ignore that details must be painted before gluing



Exactly! You will never follow the instructions 100% anyway. Slow and steady. Good models take time. Great models take even more.