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Best Starfighter Ever?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 10:08 AM UTC
Hey Tim, that's great I'm looking forward to it. I really like the panel line technique you linked to but I've already added lots of rivet detail and I'm worried about sanding it away. I'll keep the idea in my head though for a future build - it gives lovely results. Thanks for sharing it.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 12:45 AM UTC
Hi Steve, I'll start posting some later this month. What I found for attacking the deep recessed lines: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/78374-f-8-e-crusader-vmfa-235-da-nang-1966/
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 07:25 AM UTC
Over the last decade or so thereís been an explosion in weathering products and techniques. At the same time weíve seen new paints enter the market that make natural metal finish as, erÖ. metally as can be. Odd then that thereís so little written about weathering natural metal finish. Getting the shine is relatively easy these days, but weathering it is left to our imagination. That means we can play. Woo-hoo!

I wanted a grubby, oily front wheel well without using harsh products that might lift the delicate NMF. In the end I hit on a technique that has served me well. If anything itís over-weathered, but the recess is deep and shadowy so subtle would be the same as invisible. Take a look at the pics and see what you think. I havenít made a video in ages so maybe my next one will explain how I did it.

Shiny happy models, people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2yAnZ4EYc

P.S. Sorry for one or two rather crappy photos. I couldnít get the light right and even now the pics donít really capture the look, but you get the idea.








SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 08:45 PM UTC
Good morning Joel and Tim,

Joel, thanks as always for the constant encouragement.

Tim. that's a lovely clean build and super neat paint job on your Sea Furies. I like the in-flight look too. I've been toying with trying something in-flight for a long time. Maybe my next build (but here's a long list).

If you feel like posting some shots on this thread, please feel free.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi Steve, not yet posted here. I usually did that on LSP or ARC. I am taking pictures of the progress so I'll give it a go soon. Some older work (2011): https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/40735-fishers-hawker-sea-furies-dutch-demoteam-the-aerobats/
Best Tim
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 07:40 AM UTC
Steve,
The 3 sections of the front wheel well looks great so far, as does the strut.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 06:07 AM UTC
Iíve been checking references trying to figure out the colour of the front wheel well. It can look anything from a gloss mid-grey to polished aluminium. In the end I reached for AK Extreme Metal Dark Aluminium. I want a darker tone where the light donít shine. Iíll raise the value a bit at the edges with some simple colour modulation using a lighter aluminium. Before I painted the strut in the same colour I applied AK chrome to the piston. My plan was to make this part super shiny so it stands out. Actually when its surrounded by the other metallic paint on the strut its not noticeably different. I might need to think about that - maybe tone down the surrounding area with some weathering later.

Hereís a couple of close up shots, and by the way, those glue marks and other little imperfections were totally invisible before I sprayed on metallics. Crikey, Iím going to have to take a lot of care with the fuselage.







Happy modelling guys.
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2019 - 05:04 AM UTC
Hey Tim
Thanks very much. I'm pleased it helps. I'd love to see your work, especially how you tackle the panelling. Are you posting here?
With best wishes,
Steve
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Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2019 - 09:32 PM UTC
Love your work. Constructing my TF-104G at the moment and your work helps a lot...the panelling I am going to tackle as well..too rough. Overall a good basic kit, but no Tamiya
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Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 - 11:59 PM UTC
Hey Joel,

Yes nearly. It all seemed a bit too easy for a while, and I sort of liked it. I'm building something Tamiya-ish next for sure.

Have a great day,

S.
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 09:34 AM UTC
Steve,
Well, you almost got your wish.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 09:01 AM UTC
Thereís a coat of black primer drying on the undercarriage, and Mr Surfacer drying in gaps in the drop tanks. While they cure I decided to turn my attention to the wings. These are nicely moulded, fit well and join neatly to the fuselage. Hold on. Has this turned into a dream about a Tamiya kit?

It seems not, because there is one problem. The large inboard flaps are too short. They leave a gap between wing and flap. The simplest way to deal with this is to add a little material to the wing and push the flaps inwards. I just glued some plastic card in place, and tomorrow when the glue is dry Iíll carve and sand it to match the profile of the wing. There, back to reality.

And here is the photo reconnaissance.





Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 08:59 AM UTC
Hi Damian,

Yeah, I know the feeling. There's always something else to check out. I often have a build vlog or something playing away in the background while I build. Sometimes I miss the whole thing though, or get distracted and watch instead of building. Even so, today there is progress.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 02:27 AM UTC

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Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.



Steve, like you, I'm just a big sponge. The proliferation of forums and YouTubers and Facebook pages around our hobby gives us an endless stream of ideas and techniques. The problem is I tend to spend more hours browsing than building.

Self-discipline is something I need some serious work on

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC
G'day Damien

Thanks very much. I reckon it's going to be an 18 month project by the time it is finished, maybe more.

Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.

You made me smile with your primer reference. It'll be aimed at the kit for sure... this time.

Thanks for looking in and have great fun with the cars,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:53 PM UTC
Hi Joel

As always you are very kind. Its good to be chatting with you of course.

I think I might be in breach of site rules if you divert me onto the relative merits of our country's leaders, but there have been more glorious times in each country's history shall we say?

I just hope I don't need a post-Brexit visa to get through a hole in a wall to post here in future :-)

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:11 AM UTC
G'day Steve.

I have just trolled through this thread for the first time in months and I've go to say this is a truly epic build. Like Joel, I'm going through a car modelling fetish at the moment after many years on WW2 aircraft, but the techniques used apply across the spectrum and I'm certainly going to be stealing some of yours!

Can't wait to see some primer going on . . . on your 104 . . . of course that's what I was meaning

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 10:43 AM UTC
Steve,
The wheel well, strut, and parts look fantastic. Can't wait to see them painted and installed.

As for the two fuel tanks, you really did some number on the fit to get it near perfect, yet all the raised detail wasn't touched.

As for Prime Minister Teresa May, I'll trade you President Donald Trump heads up

Joel
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 09:46 AM UTC
It seems like ages since I last posted, but that doesnít mean the glue and sanders have been resting. All the details in the front wheel well are finished now. I had a little dilemma over the order in which to assemble and paint. In the end I decide on paint first simply because there are so many nooks and crannies deep in the wheel well. Cool, there is some airbrushing in my future.



As a break from all the small details I assembled the under-wing fuel tanks. In usual Italeri style there is pain and pleasure. The best bits are the nice shape and fine detail. The worst bit is the slight difference in size of each half, and the hard to align ports (not sure what to call them). Those shape differences leave filling and sanding work that needs to avoid both raised and recessed detail. All in all, it feels like an exam question for modellers.

I toyed with the idea of just sanding the bejesus out of the lot and replacing the lost detail. But, wellÖ itís such a rare thing to have fine detail on this kit that I just couldnít do it. Instead I worked around it. You can see some of the problem areas left after a first round of sanding and scraping below. Seems like there is a need to employ those fine fellows Fillit and Sanders to get a good result. Iím planning a natural metal finish so I wonít get away with too many lumps and bumps.





Why is it, that despite this kitís constant little niggles Iím enjoying it? I feel a bit like my dear Prime Minister Teresa May, in dogged pursuit of the almost unachievable but determined to see it through.

Happy modelling guys, and may your plastic be cooperative.
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 08:21 PM UTC
Happy New Year, Joel!

Thanks very much. It might be a once in a lifetime experience to go this far. I really enjoy adding these details but boy does it make progress slow. I might need a better balance with my next kit but its onwards with this project.

Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 01:54 AM UTC
Steve,
The start to the front wheel well certainly is to your usual high level of detailing.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 06:21 AM UTC
Happy 2019 everyone. I hope Santa was kind to you, and your New Year has started well. Iíve taken a week off and that means plenty of time to indulge my favourite hobby. As a result there has been good progress on the Starfighterís front wheel well. Eduard PE plus some scratch building has got all the details in.

Iím much happier with this look than I was with the limited and two dimensional kit parts. Iím thinking that the best approach to painting will be getting it done before I assemble and fit it, so thatís probably next, although Iím still wondering about how best to fit the front wheel with strength.

Hereís the progress:





Happy modelling. We have 363 days of it left to enjoy this year, that might just be enough to finish this project :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - 09:50 PM UTC
Hey Joel,

Happy Christmas. I hope you are having a great time. I'll be a gentleman and not disclose the best primer option. :-)

Was Santa kind to you?

Happy holidays,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 08:43 AM UTC
Steve,
That's a great start to the front well.

Your comparison to your ex-wife kind of took me by surprise, as would she have looked better with the primer on or primer off? Never quite heard it booth that way before.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 12:06 AM UTC
Thanks Gaz. I thought the same about my ex-wife once, but towards the end of our relationship I did wonder if she'd look better with a coat of primer on. Not sure what I am trying to say here so I'll shut up. :-)