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timvkampen
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 07:22 AM UTC
Fantastic build to follow Andrew. I just started my TF and run into the same issues with the PE. Reading your report helps to correct my mistakes upfront!
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 08:07 AM UTC

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Hello Joel,
I was wondering about you. I hope you are enjoying the car modelling and I'm very happy to have you looking in. If my posts help in some way then I'm even happier.
Have a great day,
Steve.



Steve,
Stop by any of my build blogs in the AutoModeler/car forum. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my builds.

Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 06:02 AM UTC
Hello Joel,
I was wondering about you. I hope you are enjoying the car modelling and I'm very happy to have you looking in. If my posts help in some way then I'm even happier.
Have a great day,
Steve.
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:17 AM UTC
Steve,
While I'm a car modeler these days, I follow your builds religiously. I find your build blogs entertaining, and written in a easy to understand & follow style. As a huge bonus, your detailing and scratch building methods are exactly what this old timer can use in my detailing these days.

Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 11:50 PM UTC
Hi Matt and Michael,

Matt, my advice is give it a try, and keep the original part if you can, just in case. Oh, and be prepared for failure. I reckon at least half the parts I make are discarded and then re-made.

I know what you mean about the right size plastic. I invested in bunch of stuff to work on another project. Ironically I never started it, but the supplies have served me well for ages. Evergreen is the brand name to look for.

Michael, thanks very much, slowly but surely it will emerge. I hope!

Have a great day guys,

Steve.
Cosimodo
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 08:34 PM UTC
Nice work on the gun bay Steve! The Vulcan and Eduard etch have come together very nicely with your added touches. Looking forward to seeing the front wheel bay develop with your extras.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:18 PM UTC
Nice clean work, that's how it's done.

I really need to gather the nerve to scratch more parts than I do. I rely on paint far too often to bring out details that are soft on the kit parts.

I just never seem to have enough of the right sized styrene.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
The trick with scratch building - or so it seems to me - is to break everything down into simple forms, and work slowly and methodically. If ever youíve watched a youtube video showing how an illustrator draws a complex character from basic shapes youíll get what I mean.

With the basics of the front landing gear in place, it is time to start building up the details. The piece that holds the wheel has been salvaged from the kit part. I cut it from the rest of the leg, drilled right through and inserted the piston to get as much strength and alignment as I could before applying glue (extra thin) and cutting off the excess.



After 24 hours drying time I set about adding some home made locating points for the PE bracket, and also adding the bands circling the leg. Those parts are made from old wine bottle tops, and yes I have a lot of supplies. Thereís something satisfying about the crisp cleanness of these parts compared to the vague blobs in the kit. Oh, you can also see where I drilled through the leg to insert a cross-bar that will fix the leg in place. Unlike a lot of landing gear the F-104ís front leg doesnít touch the roof of the wheel well. It pivots on the cross-bar that attaches directly to each side-wall of the bay, dangling down like a capital letter íTí.

Who says our hobby isnít educational? :-)



Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 - 09:22 AM UTC
Ladies and gentleman, I present the next step - the front landing gear and wheel bay. The approach is the same as that taken for the rear. Iím removing softly moulded detail so I can replace it with better PE or scratch built parts. The one exception is the roof of the wheel bay. This area is deeply recessed in the model and will be partly covered by other components so Iím living with the basic detail.



The side walls are not so lucky and had the attention of scalpel, chisel and sand paper. Here we goÖ



By the way, I took a photo of the original part to keep as a reference. In the process I stumbled on a nifty technique to take a life size shot so the photo is a sort of blue print. It only works with parts that are mirrored like the sidewalls here. With the camera on, I put one part on the screen of my phone and then prepared to take a shot of the other. By zooming or moving the phone I could get the subject perfectly covered by the first part sitting on my phone screen. Snap, et voila - a life size shot. Now I have something to help me get the details in the right position (or not if they were wrong to start with).

The landing gear strut is not one of Italeriís finest works. The detail is very soft. There are also heavy bur lines and a deepish ejector pin mark. I looked and thought ĎNope. Itís got to goí. Scratch building a new one is pretty simple (or at least it feels that way now I have some practice under my belt). The basic components are plastic strip in three diameters. Iím sorry but I donít know the exact measurements - I just rummaged about until I found pieces that were the same diameter as the basic parts of the strut.



First I drilled out the centre of the larger rods to match the diameter of the inner piston (the bit that does the sliding in and out on the real thing). Then I cut a larger ring at the base to the right size and slipped it over the piston. Next the upper thinner diameter part was slipped on. Crikey, there were more things sliding in more places than a dodgy movie, and the end result was more satisfying.



If I had it to hand I would have used brass rod for the inner piston, simply to add strength, but I donít have the right size. I did a little test and these short sections of plastic rod should be strong enough, especially with the core all one piece. Fingers crossed it all works out.

I started working on some extra details by slicing thin segments of rod. Itís hard to get a consistent diameter but perseverance paid off in the end. These are the rejects.



So far so good.

Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 11:19 PM UTC
Hey Guys,

Wow, its an early Christmas present to get so much praise. Thanks so much for taking the time to say what you did.

Gaz, you're right, its got to be an open gun bay. Having spent so much time getting it this far I couldn't close it up now.

Thanks again, and happy modelling,

Steve.
GazzaS
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Posted: Saturday, December 01, 2018 - 04:51 PM UTC
Holey smokes, Steve!
That's just tremendous. The only problem is that it almost obligates a person to leave it open.

Still...

Just awesome.

Gaz
Joel_W
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Posted: Saturday, December 01, 2018 - 07:32 AM UTC
Steve,
On a scale of 1-10, it's a solid 10 Your PE work is some of the best I've ever seen.
Joel
spaarndammer
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Posted: Saturday, December 01, 2018 - 07:12 AM UTC
Wow, the Vulcan looks impressive. Great work.



Jelger
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Saturday, December 01, 2018 - 02:56 AM UTC
It took a while, but finally the gun bay and Vulcan cannon are done. Eduardís photo etch really comes into its own here. For the first time since starting this kit I have a completely empty fret - I used every bit of PE provided. With a few extra items scratch built, I now have the best I could do. The photos show up some filling and refining thatís needed, and also remind me that I have a couple of missing details to add on the M61, but basically this is it. Itís not an exact replica - I had to compromise so I didnít go mad or attempt things beyond my skill - but in keeping with the theme of this build, I gave it my best shot. Iím excited to move on to the next step.

Hereís the gun bay with and without the M61 dropped in place.






Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - 11:51 PM UTC
Hi Joel

I have to agree. There's something very satisfying about a DIY approach.

Franck, I'll be careful! I don't want a 1/32 scale 20mm shell in the finger. Ouch. :-)

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - 07:53 PM UTC
Don't forget to unload the gun before assembly
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - 02:30 AM UTC
Steve,
You certainly succeeded in making the M61 look a lot more detailed and thus closer to a replica then a model kit part.

Honestly. I much rather see bits & pieces then just bought AM, as modelers at your skill level can turn those home made pieces into something very special, that is truly a one of a kind.


Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2018 - 10:16 AM UTC
Itís hard to see the changes made to the M61A1, but changes there are. A combination of small pieces of evergreen strip, stretched sprue, parts cut from spares, and some pin holes has added some of the missing details. At the same time Iíve been building up the interior of the gun bay using Eduardís lovely photo etch. Itís all a bit fiddly and painstaking but thereís a much more authentic interior coming together.

Either construction errors on my part or a little bit of optimism on Eduardís part means the photo etch interior is just a bit too big to fit into the area left when kit parts are removed. Sanding way the interior edges of the PE did the job. Hereís how it all looks now. Not finished yet but its coming along.





Happy modelling,

Steve.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 09:33 AM UTC
The F-104ís main armament is the famous M61 Vulcan rotary cannon. Italeri gives us the option to have the gun bay open, and they made an attempt at the M61 too. After cleaning up weíre left with a passable impression, however a quick look at photos of the real thing shows up the limitations in the kit parts; the details are vague and a good deal is missing. Really it would be best to replace it with an aftermarket option, but I donít want to hold things up so Iím going to try and enhance what is in the kit.



Iím emphasising some the detail by adding stretched sprue and small pieces of plastic card. Basically using the techniques described earlier. The Eduard set for the gun bay also gives a little panel. The shot below is an early work in progress view showing stretched sprue being attached. Iíll upload again more when thereís more progress.



Happy modelling guys.


SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 09:26 AM UTC
Joel,
Thanks a million. It's going to be tricky to paint I think, but fingers crossed.
Have a great day,
Steve.
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:37 AM UTC
Steve,
The wheel Well looks fantastic. With some paint, and weathering it could easily pass for the real thing.
Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:01 AM UTC
When I was a boy it was common knowledge that too much time spent on a particular activity would make you go blind. Well, itís taken a few years but I realise that the activity in question is not what I imagined. It is actually scratch building. Thankfully Iíve finished the rear landing gear bay with my eyesight largely in tact. Here it is in all its glory - finished off with the big struts and pistons from the kit.





I need a bit of a rest from hoses, pipes and hydraulics so next up is the gun bay.

Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:00 AM UTC
Hey Matt,

That sounds like a very special experience. More power to you.

Have a great day.
Scrodes
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 03:51 AM UTC

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Wow Matt, it's Christmas come early. Thanks so much for getting these photos.
What's your role at the museum?
With a big thank you,
Steve.



No problem Steve.

I volunteer at the museum as member of the Lancaster Crew and spend many hours there to keep our Lancaster flying.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2018 - 07:22 PM UTC
Wow Matt, it's Christmas come early. Thanks so much for getting these photos.
What's your role at the museum?
With a big thank you,
Steve.