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1/48 scale Eduard Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 03:42 PM UTC

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I can never decide if I want to use an actual white on the belly of Tri-color painted planes. It always looks so wrong, but this one's coming out great!


I always notice that even the colour profiles tend to have a more gray underside - even the colour one in the Tamiya 32nd scale Corsair. It amuses me because on the same sheet they call out for white


Yes I know it's supposed to be white..



Matt,
I'm with you on the White issue for sure. Pure, clean white looks completely out of scale. As you can see, one of the big advantages of Black basing or just using a solid dark primer is that the White isn't pure. With black basing it looks worn and weathered, the exact way I wanted to go.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:39 AM UTC
Joel! As I wrote earlier, good to have you back and please don't just disappear like that again ! I know you're not a youngster so I was actually seriously worried that something bad had happened (something even worse than getting stuck in 32-scale that is)!

Will as usual follow and enjoy. Hellcat, I ought to do a British one...



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 03:30 AM UTC

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Joel! As I wrote earlier, good to have you back and please don't just disappear like that again ! I know you're not a youngster so I was actually seriously worried that something bad had happened (something even worse than getting stuck in 32-scale that is)!

Will as usual follow and enjoy. Hellcat, I ought to do a British one...



Magnus



Magnus,
I promise I'm back for good, or until my time has come. I turned 70 a few days ago, and unfortunately, I'm way closer to the end then the start. But as long as I can see and don't shake to bad, I'll be building 1/48 scale and even the occasional 1/72 scale model.

And naturally I'm more then glade to have you follow along.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 03:40 AM UTC
Joel, I know I'm late with this comment, but I'm glad you're back. Honestly.

Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 04:27 AM UTC

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Joel, I know I'm late with this comment, but I'm glad you're back. Honestly.

Gabriel



Gabriel,
You're never to late to welcome back an old friend. Thanks so much as this welcome is more then I ever thought it would be. Actually, I was somewhat concerned that I had worn out my welcome. Needless to say I'm almost speechless, which is something that no one could ever accuse me of.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 04:35 AM UTC
Joel,

brilliant paint job. Color looks spot on!

Oliver
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 06:11 AM UTC

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Joel,

brilliant paint job. Color looks spot on!

Oliver



Oliver,
Thanks so much for stopping by, it's much appreciated. Glad that you like how the color modulation is coming out. It's been a lot more effort then I thought it would be.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 06:53 AM UTC
Major decaling issue!!

I've been decaling the F6F-3 Hellcat with the excellent Eduard decals. Got to the top of the Port wing and I realized that the white isn't white it's Silver! What the heck? Checked a few online builds and no one has a silver National insignia.

So I just went through my decal box and none that I found match the color and or are the correct size. So I went to Sprue Brothers and checked all the WW11 1/48 scale decals. Not a single sheet for Hellcats. Checked for a generic sheet of just various size insignia's but I can find any. Thought about other US WW11 aircraft, so I opened up several kits and none were the correct size from various P-51s and P-47Ds.

My only option is to email Eduard for a replacement. Some how I can't see them sending a single decal half way around the world, and even if they do, it would take a good month or longer.

Joel


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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 07:12 AM UTC
Went through my decal box once more and missed some brand new decals sheets for Jugs. A few of the decals were very close in size and the right color. So I went with that option. Looks ok so far on the wing.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 03:12 PM UTC
Silver??? What the heck! Eduard??? That's a major stuff up on Eduards part which is most unlike them I wonder what the hell Happened. I was going to offer you a sheet of 1/48 scale US insignia but I see you've already solved that issue, nice save buddy!
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2017 - 04:08 AM UTC

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Silver??? What the heck! Eduard??? That's a major stuff up on Eduards part which is most unlike them I wonder what the hell Happened. I was going to offer you a sheet of 1/48 scale US insignia but I see you've already solved that issue, nice save buddy!



Chris,
Thanks so much for being willing to step up and help.

I just couldn't believe that Eduard would make such a weird mistake and that no one in QC caught it. I had my brother open his kit, and check the decal sheet. It's the same. then I went back on the Net and looked a dozens of pictures of F6F-3s, and not one had a Silver National Insignia top or bottom. Just makes no sense.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2017 - 07:06 AM UTC
Joel: Sorry for that issue, glad you're able to solve it!

Although I have Eduard's 1/72 F6F-3 ProfiBox already stored, I was infected by your build and received my recently ordered (among other kits) 1/48 Hellcat Mk.II as Ed's WE-Edition.
So immedeatly I took a 2nd look - happy to see again that the decals for that kit are right.
BTW: As a Grumman-addicted guy, do you have any suggestions about that Mk.II-unit? Some major faults to overcome? Major differences to the F6F-3?
Any hints (from all of you) will be much appreciated! -- Thanks!

Thomas
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2017 - 08:37 AM UTC

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Joel: Sorry for that issue, glad you're able to solve it!

Although I have Eduard's 1/72 F6F-3 ProfiBox already stored, I was infected by your build and received my recently ordered (among other kits) 1/48 Hellcat Mk.II as Ed's WE-Edition.
So immedeatly I took a 2nd look - happy to see again that the decals for that kit are right.
BTW: As a Grumman-addicted guy, do you have any suggestions about that Mk.II-unit? Some major faults to overcome? Major differences to the F6F-3?
Any hints (from all of you) will be much appreciated! -- Thanks!

Thomas



Thomas,
Thanks so much for stopping by and appreciating my efforts to date.

The MkII was the British version of the F6F-5, not the -3, the MkI was. The major differences were a redesigned engine cowling, a new wind screen, new ailerons, and a beefed up rudder. It also got an improved P&W R2800 engine. I also believe that the little rear window was removed on the MkIs as well. I did read a review or two, and from what I remember Eduard has made all the corrections.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2017 - 12:19 PM UTC
Hey Joel - Maybe Eduard is running prize giveaway and if yours is the one kit with the silver insignia instead of white you get a couple million bucks- better check it out !

Cheers - Richard
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2017 - 01:23 PM UTC

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Hey Joel - Maybe Eduard is running prize giveaway and if yours is the one kit with the silver insignia instead of white you get a couple million bucks- better check it out !

Cheers - Richard



Richard,
Good idea, but I had my brother checked his kit that he also got from Sprue Brothers in the same order. Same 3 silver Starts and Bars. Go figure.
Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 11:39 PM UTC
Hi Joel

I was surprised by your mention of the silver decals, because I didn't remember them from the first release which I reviewed. While there was a slightly duller white used for the upper-wing "stars and bars" (whether that was an attempt to depict fading , I don't know), they weren't silver.

Comparing the original reviews with the one Britmodeller did of a re-released kit like yours a couple of years ago, there's a dramatic difference in the decals. The upper-wing items stick out like a sore thumb. I notice the decals in the Britmodeller review were no longer printed by Cartograf, so maybe that's where the change happened?

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 02:37 AM UTC

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Hi Joel

I was surprised by your mention of the silver decals, because I didn't remember them from the first release which I reviewed. While there was a slightly duller white used for the upper-wing "stars and bars" (whether that was an attempt to depict fading , I don't know), they weren't silver.

Comparing the original reviews with the one Britmodeller did of a re-released kit like yours a couple of years ago, there's a dramatic difference in the decals. The upper-wing items stick out like a sore thumb. I notice the decals in the Britmodeller review were no longer printed by Cartograf, so maybe that's where the change happened?

All the best

Rowan



Rowan,
When I bought theProfipact kit it was after reading a few reviews which now I'm assuming was for the original release. The decals were listed as made by Cartograf, while the weekend kit had Eduard decals. Somehow Eduard dropped the Cartograf decals and substituted theirs instead. the decals are some of the best I've ever used, but the silver instead of the white for the upper wing and 2 of the 3 Red outlined Stars & Bars became a major issue.

My brother checked his kit, and it was the same. our kits were purchased in the same order from Sprue Brothers so the lot was the same. He's emailed Eduard about this issue, but still hasn't received a reply.

At least I had a decal close to size and colors and I needed from Eagle Cal, but it's no where as thin, and nothing I've tried yet including Solvaset and Mr. Mark Sol has made it sink into the rivets as though it was painted on like the Eduard decals did.

As a side note, I've been applying dozens and dozens of stencils as they're supplied on the decal sheet. They laydown perfectly and are all readable if you use enough magnification. I've been at it for nearly 2 weeks, and have only the Port side of the fuselage to go, then it's update time.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 03:45 AM UTC
Hi Joel

I'm glad you've got the issue sorted. Ahh - stencil decals... don't we all love them! I'll look forward to seeing them all on.

Yes, Eduard's own-brand decals can be amazing quality. I thought the ones for their Bf 109G-6 were among the best I've ever used - the spinner spiral just blew me away, because it went on like a dream (I'd been expecting trouble).

The ones with the Fw 190 are different - they're matt finish - but I've done a test with a spar this afternoon and it seems to be snuggling down very well.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 04:49 AM UTC
Hi Joel, you build is coming along nicely. Like everyone else I was surprised to hear that Eduard had supplied a decal with silver where white was supposed to be. I have never heard of that type of issue before. I feel your pain on decals though. I started to use the Trumpeter decals on the Dauntless I'm building for the PTO Campaign. Their decals can be a bit hit or miss, and this time they were a BIG miss! I ended up using a combination of decals from Dave Klaus and Maketar masks. Interesting experience to say the least!

Ernest

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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 05:04 AM UTC

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Hi Joel, you build is coming along nicely. Like everyone else I was surprised to hear that Eduard had supplied a decal with silver where white was supposed to be. I have never heard of that type of issue before. I feel your pain on decals though. I started to use the Trumpeter decals on the Dauntless I'm building for the PTO Campaign. Their decals can be a bit hit or miss, and this time they were a BIG miss! I ended up using a combination of decals from Dave Klaus and Maketar masks. Interesting experience to say the least!

Ernest




Ernest,
It came as quite a surprise to me. I never checked because I never encountered that issue before. At least the replacement decal is close enough so that it's passable but not perfect in overall size. I was surprised that there really isn't a generic sheet in 1/48 scale of National Insignias readily available. Another instance where masks would have been the easiest way to get the proper size and color.

As for Trumpeter decals, I've always tossed them. In 1/32 scale the color blue they use is so far off I can't seen how anyone would ever use them.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 01:19 PM UTC
Well, it's been nearly 2 weeks since my last update as I've spent my modeling time which is a lot less this time of the year, decaling and stenciling. And the stencils just took forever even for a 1/48 scale WWII aircraft.

When I originally researched the Eduard limited edition F6F-3, the decals were listed as printed by Cartograf, so I didn't question nor have a single concern as to quality, registration, or accuracy of colors. As I got into the decaling, I still didn't take notice of the previously mentioned National Insignia issue where the lower wing's decal was printed with a silverfish gray not white! Then I ran into this wonderful issue:



You can plainly see that someone screwed up. I just couldn't believe it that Cartograf would let this error slip by. Turns out that they didn't, as this time around Eduard printed the sheet in house, and no longer states that the decals are by Cartograf. Still, someone must surely look at the test printing before running the full run. It took a few days for me to come up with a replacement from my spare decal box, and while close, it's slightly smaller and the blue is slightly darker.

the good news is that these decals are as good as any Cartograf or After Market decals I've ever used. They're thin yet strong, so they're very easy to work with, and respond excellently with the Micro system. So good in fact that the laid down into every nook & cranny and rivet like I painted them on. Same for the stencils which as I said is a long and laborious job, but once done really look good. And you can read every single stencil.

Surface prep was a wet polish with 1,500 then 4,000 sponges, then a tack coat of Tamiya X-22 Gloss Clear thinned 1:1 with Tamiya Yellow cap. Then two wet coats with the final one being thinned 1:4. when dry I repeated the 1,500 & 4,000 polishing. I'm sure that it had some effect on how well the decals laid down.









the kill marking over the My Joan are layered, yet they show no signs of clear decal film.



for a change I didn't even cut out each number and they still look like they were painted on.



After a day or two I'll seal the decals again with a tack coat, then a few wet coats with the final coat thinned 1:4 with Tamiya X-22. Then the weathering starts. Of course in between weathering sessions I'll be detailing the P&W R2800 engine.

Joel



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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 01:26 PM UTC
Coming along nicely Joel ! Looks like the finish line is drawing closer - got the next subject chosen yet ?
Richard
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 01:34 PM UTC

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Coming along nicely Joel ! Looks like the finish line is drawing closer - got the next subject chosen yet ?
Richard



Richard,
Wow, you're fast.

Still got more then a solid month's work to get done. As for my next build, I've got a few in mind:

Tamiya F4F-4 with a ton of After Market
Eduard/Hasegawa 1/48 scale F86F
Academy 1/48 scale F-4C
Eduard/Academy 1/48 scale F-4J Rhino

Right now I'm really leaning towards either the F86-F or the Rhino. Neither do I think I'll have done for the Noreastcon or Mosquitocon.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 08:53 PM UTC
Hi Joel

That is looking great! Like you say, the decals are snuggling down beautifully. The extra prep you've done on the surface undoubtedly paid dividends. It'll be the moment of truth on the '190 today as I start doing the decals, so fingers crossed I get equally good results...

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 02:40 AM UTC

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Hi Joel

That is looking great! Like you say, the decals are snuggling down beautifully. The extra prep you've done on the surface undoubtedly paid dividends. It'll be the moment of truth on the '190 today as I start doing the decals, so fingers crossed I get equally good results...

All the best

Rowan



Rowan,
Thanks for those more then kind words.

Looking forward to seeing your 190 decaled. Like I said, I was surprised at the quality of the kit decals. AM decals wouldn't have preformed any better. Too bad the printing goof became a major issue. Just make sure that the surface where the decals will be applied is smooth to your touch. But then again, I've seen your work, and I have no doubt it will be 100% perfect.

Joel