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Kfz 11?
GreenBooRay
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 02:26 AM UTC
I'm going to start a dio on Kradshutzen (France 1940) and, in looking at Nafziger's TO&Es for the 7th Panzer Div (1940) it shows that many of the units had Kfz11 (wheeled) vehicles along with their motorcycles.

So, when I Google Kfz 11 I keep getting Sd Kfz 11 (track veh) and that's not what I want. No joy at the Kfz der Wehrmacht site either. It starts with Kfz 12 and higher.

Any help in locating pics or, preferably, 1/35 Kfz 11 kits ...would be MOST appreciated.

Thanks!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 02:41 AM UTC
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Kfz.+11%22+-%22Sd.%22&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSyun04srhAhXioYsKHf-LBFMQsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=1521&bih=934

Run the above google search
I searched for Kfz. 11 and at the same time specified that I
did not want Sd. to be present, the search string is
"Kfz. 11" -"Sd."
The quotes tells Google that I want the exact string and the minus-sign says that I do NOT want Sd. to be present.
It didn't weed out all the halftracks though ...

The Kfz. 11 was a Kübelwagen (and Yes, there were other cars used in the role of Kübelwagen before the famous VW-Kübel)


Wanderer W11

https://world-war-2.wikia.org/wiki/Kraftfahrzeug_11


Adler 3 Gd


A Horch acting Kfz. 11



Mercedes 290


Italeri did/do the Kfz. 15

Cars from different manufacturers were used to fill the vacant slots for Kfz.11
Some Kfz slots could be filled with any vehicle which fit the description, other slots were more specific and there was only one variant.
Kfz.11 was defined as medium cross country passenger car (m. gl. Pkw) The Kfz.12 was a Kfz.11 equipped with a towing hook.
Huge difference in the equipment lists, if you need a medium passenger car to tow a small trailer you don't want the logistics chain to send you one without a hook.
Troop motorcar, 4 seats
Mercedes-Benz 200, 260, 290, 320 (1926 - 1940)
Wanderer W 11, W 23 S (1935 - 1941)
Adler 12 N, 3 Gd (1932 - 1940)
Phänomen Granit 25 (1935)

Kfz. 13 was equipped with a machine gun (AA car???)
Kfz. 14 had a radio set
Adler Standard 6 (1932 - 1934)

Kfz. 1 to 10 were light passenger cars
Kfz. 11 to 20 were all medium passenger cars
Kfz. 21 to 30 were heavy passenger cars

Kfz. 31 to 40 are light trucks,
from 41 to 50 medium trucks
from 51 to 60 heavy trucks

Kfz.1 had 9 different manufacturers, one of them was VW,
another was the Mercedes 170 V

Run the Google search and add the car names/types
/ Robin
YellowHammer
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 02:41 AM UTC
Hi Steve,
After a look at google I found the following entry on Wikipedia:
Mittelschwerer geländegängiger PKW[edit]
The medium off-road passenger car was built by the Opelwerk Brandenburg (chassis only) and Auto Union: Siegmar factory (former Wanderer) in Siegmar-Schönau (today a part of Chemnitz) and Horch factory in Zwickau. The Wehrmacht used them as troop transports (Kfz. 11, with tow bar: Kfz. 12, 6-seat version: Kfz. 21), in the signals corps (Kfz. 15, Kfz. 17, Kfz. 17/1) and for artillery reconnaissance (Kfz. 16 and Kfz. 16/1). Some 12,000 units were built. The most conspicuous change of the 1940 design simplification was the elimination of the mid-mounted spare wheels which simplified the bodywork and gave more interior space. The cars had a Horch V8 (Opel: in-line 6-cylinder) and a curb weight of 2,700 kg (open-topped Horch version: 3,080 kg) and was the only type that did not even initially have four-wheel steering. 80% of military branches rejected the vehicle as unfit for wartime service.

So it looks like the kfz 11 was the medium Horch type staff car used for troop transport. Not sure what internal differences (i.e. radios, seating, equipment racks, etc.) existed between the versions. Maybe you can use this info to improve your searches for photos.
HTH
John
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 03:25 AM UTC
Robin,

Perfect! Thank you VERY much sir!

Steve
GreenBooRay
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 03:26 AM UTC
John,

Thank you SIR!!

Steve
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 03:44 AM UTC
An Adler Kfz.12 (tows a light PaK)


There is a LOT of images at this web-site:
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/Germany/germany.html
Start digging downwards starting with the manufacturers and models I listed in my first reply.
/ Robin
Jmarles
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Posted: Saturday, May 04, 2019 - 07:46 AM UTC
Masterbox make quite a few of these small vehicles.
GreenBooRay
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Posted: Saturday, May 04, 2019 - 12:40 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Masterbox makes quite a few of these small vehicles.



Julian,

I'm currently building the MasterBox "Where are the damn roads?" kit and will use one or two of their figures along with the KFZ11. I'll post pics of the dio when completed.

I can see why MasterBox has begun focusing on sci-fi, cowboys and indians, hookers, truck drivers and the like as their vehicles are not up to current standards (vague or inaccurate instructions, brittle parts, etc etc.)