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Beetle Or No Beetle?
long_tom
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 10:17 AM UTC
I've seen kits of the VW Beetle during WW2 in German service, yet I thought I read that that version was never produced until after the war. What's the story?
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 10:26 AM UTC
From Wikipedia :

"A handful of KdF-Wagens were produced, primarily for the Nazi elite, from 1941 to 1944, as the Typ 60. During World War II, the factory primarily built the Kübelwagen (Typ 82), the Schwimmwagen (Typ 166), and a handful of other light wheeled vehicles, all mechanically derived from the Typ 1, for the Wehrmacht. These included several hundred Kommandeurswagen (Typ 87), with a Typ 1 Beetle body mounted on the rugged chassis of the four-wheel drive Typ 86 Kübelwagen prototype, and fitted with portal axle and a Schwimmwagen drive train, with wider fenders., to accommodate oversize Kronprinz all-terrain tires. Kommandeurswagen were produced up to 1944, when all production was halted because of heavy damage to the factory from Allied air raids. Much of the essential equipment had already been moved to underground bunkers for protection, which let production resume quickly after hostilities ended. "





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brekinapez
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 10:29 AM UTC
Aside from the info Frenchy posted, Volkswagen simply didn't produce any of the models destined for the civilian market other than the prototypes shown to Hitler prior to the war. The factory was shifted to war production before they could do so. Even those Type 60s produced for the Nazi officials had differences from the civilian cars.
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 11:06 AM UTC
Type 83 Kastenwagen
with Holzbrenner conversion.
long_tom
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 11:15 AM UTC
I do remember vaguely that Hitler was supposed to have been driven in a Volkswagen during his last days before hiding in his Berlin bunker. If he were driven in that instead of his fancy bulletproof limousine it would have been poetic justice.
brekinapez
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 02:57 PM UTC
Strange thing is that most of the variants ICM used to sell, like the one Timothy posted, are all post-war builds.

In fact, try searching for the Kastenwagen and all you get are model kits. Kastenwagen just means box wagon, or panel truck.
b2nhvi
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 05:38 PM UTC
Photos dates 1937.
southpier
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 08:55 PM UTC
if the first variant was available today, i'd buy one (1:1).

Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 09:09 PM UTC

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if the first variant was available today, i'd buy one (1:1).




What about a conversion ?

https://www.bgwspectre.com/wagonsvans.html

H.P.
southpier
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 02:36 AM UTC
oh my! those are some seriously cute body styles.
b2nhvi
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 03:35 PM UTC
Seems to me ,too, that "Beetle" did not come about till the hippies in the 60s. Just sayin' ....
long_tom
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 05:18 PM UTC

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Seems to me ,too, that "Beetle" did not come about till the hippies in the 60s. Just sayin' ....


Really? The term came out the same time the actual car did, and even in the late 1940's it was already starting to sell in the thousands. Admittedly the British military decided on buying them out at the outset, but afterward...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 05:22 PM UTC

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Seems to me ,too, that "Beetle" did not come about till the hippies in the 60s. Just sayin' ....


Really? The term came out the same time the actual car did, and even in the late 1940's it was already starting to sell in the thousands. Admittedly the British military decided on buying them out at the outset, but afterward...



New York Times, July 3 1938
" In a short time Der Fuehrer is going to plaster his great sweeps of smooth motor highways with thousands and thousands of shiny little beetles, purring along from the Baltic to Switzerland and from Poland to France, with father, mother and up to three kids packed inside and seeing their Fatherland for the first time through their own windshield."

Don't know when the nickname came into popular use though ....

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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 06:50 PM UTC

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I do remember vaguely that Hitler was supposed to have been driven in a Volkswagen during his last days before hiding in his Berlin bunker.



I think you might be mixing it up with this spoof of the film about Hitlers last days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dl4faCpJE
long_tom
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 11:17 PM UTC

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I do remember vaguely that Hitler was supposed to have been driven in a Volkswagen during his last days before hiding in his Berlin bunker.



I think you might be mixing it up with this spoof of the film about Hitlers last days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dl4faCpJE


I actually read it in some book years ago, but I don't know which one.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 01:56 AM UTC

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Strange thing is that most of the variants ICM used to sell, like the one Timothy posted, are all post-war builds.



Since ICM has never produced any Beetles or variants, I assume you mean CMK/Czechmaster KIts

Jon
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 02:12 AM UTC
1938 Lieferwagen :



1939 Pritschenwagen



Period pics :









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southpier
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 05:53 AM UTC
looks like some narrow gauge in the snapshot.
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 07:08 AM UTC
All I know is that this snapshot has been in the Alps...Could these be temporary rails for a camera dolly (propaganda at work ) ? Looks like it was a big show...



Maybe in the same area (on the road to the Stelvio Pass, in the Italian Eastern Alps), prototypes being road tested :



Hermann and the convertible :



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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 11:21 AM UTC

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Aside from the info Frenchy posted, Volkswagen simply didn't produce any of the models destined for the civilian market other than the prototypes shown to Hitler prior to the war. The factory was shifted to war production before they could do so. Even those Type 60s produced for the Nazi officials had differences from the civilian cars.




Probably they were prototypes but by pure propaganda they did various ceremonies where they handed the car over to civilians, only at the end of every ceremony it was taken back in order to pass to the next delivery ceremony, at the end only the hierarchs had the honor of having one, the ceremonies were used to make the poor civilians believe that their savings had not been spent unnecessarily and that one day the car would actually be delivered, I no longer remember where I had read it, the article was also accompanied by various photographs taken during the ceremony



brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 11:38 AM UTC
It's true; no civilians received the cars they had been saving for with the redemption stamps.

Of course, losing the war threw a wrench into the plans the Reich had laid out.
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 11:39 AM UTC

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Strange thing is that most of the variants ICM used to sell, like the one Timothy posted, are all post-war builds.



Since ICM has never produced any Beetles or variants, I assume you mean CMK/Czechmaster KIts

Jon



Oops. Yes, I got the wrong C M company
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 - 11:53 AM UTC

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Don't know when the nickname came into popular use though ....

/ Robin



The nickname is considered to have originated in England in the early 1950s, applied by some schoolboys to a classmate's dad's car, which was one of the first in the neighborhood. VW itself didn't start recognizing the name in any official capacity until 1967 and even then their literature had it in quotes. It became official with the New Beetle (as part of a marketing attempt to cash in on nostalgia).
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2019 - 05:26 PM UTC
A little bit off topic and from 3 years after the war but a good bit of footage as to how rugged the Beetle was.

https://www.facebook.com/118317701606636/posts/2255089277929457/