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The Boats of Pier 51
skipper
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 03:46 AM UTC
Finnaly here is the MOD Feature of Alan McNeilly''s (AlanL) of the boats for his massive diorama Pier 51!
Enjoy

Skipper

Link to Item

If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
Ripster
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 06:24 AM UTC
Nice pieces all - there has clearly been an awful lot of work put into these. Can't wait to see the finished diorama...
jba
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:58 AM UTC
nice sum-up of what you have been posting all those last months Al! your boats look good, now they just ask for one thing: to go in the water! I hope you manage to do this quite soon indeed! Congratulations for the quite extensive work and associated results!
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:22 PM UTC
Hi Guys,

This is a good opportunity to say "The seasons greetings to you all". I hope these bring a little joy and happiness into your festive season.

Thanks for all the feedback and advice over these past months, as always it is much appreciated.

Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year to one and all,

Cheers

Al

Grauwolf
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:33 PM UTC
Ahoy Alan,

Very very nice indeed. And they should look amazing in a diorama.

The figures, you added, really add life to the models.

Always nice to see you work.

Happy Holidays,

Joe
allycat
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:50 PM UTC
Alan,
Great builds if I haven't said so before.
Are these now the finished article? Everything glued down and shipshape?
On the U S LCM(3) you've placed a large heavy looking crate next to the jeep.
How does the Dodge ambulance get out
Tom
Gunny
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 03:26 PM UTC
Ah, Yes, very nice feature!


I really like the way that these boats look, mate, great job Al!
Thanks for sharing the experience!!
~Gunny
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 07:30 PM UTC
Hi Joe, Tom and Gunny,

Something for Christmas lol, lol.

Tom, the boats are not loaded for landing just for transportation to the mother ship or another area of dock. The crate would just be hoisted out as would the trucks.

Alaternatively, the crate would be open and the contents distributed to the vehicles and the packing slung over the side. Either way it shouldn't be an issue.

My thanks to skipper for the layout and intro.

Cheers guys and happy hols.

Al
allycat
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:12 AM UTC
Thanks for the clarification Alan.
But it has got me wondering...
If, for arguments sake they'd loaded a Sherman or similar (would they have loaded a tank into an LCM in an English port!), would they have had to hoist the LCM and tank onto the mother ship?
Or would that have had to be sailed across the channel in the LCM.
Tom
AlanL
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:05 AM UTC
Hi Tom,

To the best of my knowledge, as far as the RN were concerned all tanks on D Day were landed from LCTs. The weather was too rough to have used LCMs, and they had already been developing LCTs for some years.

Some did land tanks from LCMs in Italy where the sea was calmer, the tanks were lowered into the LCMs so working in reverse if the mother ship couldn't get close enought to shore to load directly then vehicles would have been ferried out, hoisted aboard and then the boats raised.

I don't believe, although I could be wrong that vehicles were transported in the LCMs when they were hoisted on the mother ship, the weight I imagine would have been too great and made the whole thing unstable.

I could be wrong but all photographic evidence would suggest that boats were raised/lowered empty and then lorries or tanks or whatever raied or lowered in to them.

Perhaps someone could throw more light on that, but from what I've read and seen that would seem to have been the sequence.

By D Day smaller vehicles like jeeps and Bren carriers may have been landed but the conditions were rough during the landings so hoisting out large vehicles and trying to load them into LCMs would have been a non runner. Even loading a jeep or Bren would have required a lot of skill and a lot of luck, given the weather.

All the tanks were fitted with deep wading gear so that they could debus from the LCTs.

In Italy/Sicilly with calmer seas and before deep wading gear had been organised properly then if the ships couldn't get close enough vehicles were ferried ashore from LCMs. I believe the same was true in the Pacific.

Hope that helps, but if anyone has further information please don't hesitate to share it.

Exactly what weight the boat hoists could lift I don't know, but an LCM is not light so lifting a tank or truck wouldn't have been a probelm at least from the weight point of view.

Cheers

Al

skipper
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:23 AM UTC

Quoted Text

My thanks to skipper for the layout and intro.

Cheers guys and happy hols.

Al



Hi Alan

It's me who should Thank You for your submission and patience for taking so long to publish it!
For this I apologise - the intro, it's just my duty
Cheers,
Skipper
AlanL
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Posted: Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:14 PM UTC
Morning Skipper,

No need to apologise. It's good to have you back at the helm. I hadn't realised that you had returned until I posted.

Hope the zip files were easier to handle than the first lorry load of pics I sent last year lol, lol.

Merry Christmas.

Cheers

Al
AlanL
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Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 04:23 PM UTC
Happy Christmas folks.

What's up Tom? DId you get my response to your question? Hope that helps.

Cheers


Al
Sherman32nd
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:00 AM UTC
Al, Tell the nit pickers to get a life,sit back and just enjoy your great pice of ART. I'm not one of the expert modelers (scale) who want to be abel to count every bolt or rivet, just a 68 yr old who does it for the pure pleasure of the hobby. Only question, what scale are you working in?
Thanks for great work, cant wait for finished piece.
AlanL
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:44 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Glad you enjoyed the boats. They are 1/35 scale Tim, so the dio s a bit of a monster lol, lol.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2007 - 05:02 AM UTC
Who's nitpickin'? I'll chomp 'em.

Kenny
AlanL
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2007 - 11:04 PM UTC
Hi Kenny,

Thanks mate - looking forward to seeing more of your LCP (R) CC.

Cheers

AL